Comments on: Gunaysu: The Jews of Turkey and the Armenian Genocide http://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/07/20/the-jews-of-turkey-and-the-armenian-genocide/ Published by the Hairenik Association, Inc. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:45:42 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Armenian_Hayhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/07/20/the-jews-of-turkey-and-the-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-9074 Armenian_Hay Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:39:24 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=3062#comment-9074 Dear Shantagizoum, when Petrol is finished in the Middle-Est, another Truth shall be born. I just hope than Armenia and Artsakh will be ready, I just hope... There are about 30 years left! I certainly will not see. Harkanknerov Dear Shantagizoum,
when Petrol is finished in the Middle-Est, another Truth shall be born. I just hope than Armenia and Artsakh will be ready, I just hope… There are about 30 years left! I certainly will not see.
Harkanknerov

]]> By: Shantagizoumhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/07/20/the-jews-of-turkey-and-the-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-9023 Shantagizoum Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:14:23 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=3062#comment-9023 Comment Dear Mr. Bell,I would suggest-I never advise,   or offer.Please  get  hold  from an Armeian Library books  by Prof.Richard g. Hovhannissian-has  written  a dozen or so re our-Armenian-recent history,i.e.,100/120 yrs  ors o.One  in 4 volumes, Republic  of Armenia,then  "Great  Britain and the Armenian question' then if you can read  in French,or frinds  Les Grads Puisance,L'empire ttoam et la Questionne Armenien',Prof. Vahakn Dadrian's " Turkish Military Tribunal' etc., these are where our-Armenian -history re-commences  after 600 yrs  of serfdom ,pretty much or worse than the slaves in America/Elsewhere...but...since our history is  Ten times, twenty ties  fold  old  than the the recent  one, you will note  that  we  have  had kings ,we  have been there on Armenian soil Whether present R.of Armenia  and/0r  the Western Armeian lands for millenia.Some "kind" turks  here  online do not ealize  that Armenians HAD ALL THE RIGHT TO ASPIRE,STRUGGLE  AND FIGHT  FOR THEIR INDEPENDENCE  WHICH OCCURRED AFTER 600 YEARS  OF being under  ttoman rule and partially Persian,Russian as well.We are a nation (now Nation/State)  that  likle the Spanish people,after  -wat similarity- 600 yrs  of being conquered and ruled  by North African khaliphates...got armed and  the princes  there united under Izabel La Catolica-who later decared  herself Queen of Spain) drove the invader/Conquerers  out  OUT!!!! SO ARMENIANS  HAVE  ,HAVE  HAD ALL THE RIGHT  TO DO JUST  TODAY ON ARMENIAN H1  HOW ARMENIANS MUSTERED UP CLOUT FORMED  AN ARMY WTH RUSSIAN TRAINED OFFICERS(WHAT 'S WRONG WITH  THAT?IF TURKISH ARMY IS BEING TRAIEND  BY U.S.  ONE? EH, THEN FOUGHT AT SARDARABAD AND HELD THE TURKISH ARMIES BACK AND DECLARED INDEPENDENCE,BEFORE  THEY COULD COME INTO EASTERN ARMEIA..INDEED ,READ  HIOSTORY THEN ATATURK WELL FIRBISHED WITH BRIOTISH ARMAMENT A T  KARS  CAME UPON NEWLY INDEPENDENT ARMENIA  AND AND ON THE OTHER  SIDE THE RD  ARMIES,SO ARMENIANS PREFERRED TO GIVE  IN TO THE LATTER PLEASE  READ  HISTORY..THSE  TURKISHJ PEOPLE  HERE  THINK THEY KNOW  THAT OR ELSE  THEY STILL THINK THEY ARE OTTOMAN EMPIRES.MY FRIENDS  BRITSH EMPIRES  BECAME GREAT  BRIATAIN THEM  U.K... WHAT  DOS  THAT SUGGEST, GHANDI NCIELY COURTEOUSLY ASKED  THEM  OUT  OF IDA..DR, MOSSADEQUE  OF IRAN LIKEWISE ASKED THE BRITS  OUT OF THE OIL  RICH IRAN'S  OILDFIELDS,  PEOPLE  WHO OWN THEIR LAND AND HAVE BEEN THERE  ARE ENTITLED  TO  THAT.AM TYPONG  FAST  I CANNO TEACH HISTORY AND SIMIARITIES  HERE.PLEASE FORGIVE  MY BAD TYPING  WHAT'S MORE  AM CLOSE TO 80 AND FINGERS  ARE NOT LONGER  LIKE BEFORE..PLEASE GO TO LIBRARIES  AND DO RESEARCXH THERE DEAR  TURKISH INTELELCTUALS  TOO.   BEST RGDS, TO ALL   Comment
Dear Mr. Bell,I would suggest-I never advise,   or offer.Please  get  hold  from an Armeian Library books  by Prof.Richard g. Hovhannissian-has  written  a dozen or so re our-Armenian-recent history,i.e.,100/120 yrs  ors o.One  in 4 volumes, Republic  of Armenia,then  ”Great  Britain and the Armenian question’ then if you can read  in French,or frinds  Les Grads Puisance,L’empire ttoam et la Questionne Armenien’,Prof. Vahakn Dadrian’s ” Turkish Military Tribunal’ etc., these are where our-Armenian -history re-commences  after 600 yrs  of serfdom ,pretty much or worse than the slaves in America/Elsewhere…but…since our history is  Ten times, twenty ties  fold  old  than the the recent  one, you will note  that  we  have  had kings ,we  have been there on Armenian soil Whether present R.of Armenia  and/0r  the Western Armeian lands for millenia.Some “kind” turks  here  online do not ealize  that Armenians HAD ALL THE RIGHT TO ASPIRE,STRUGGLE  AND FIGHT  FOR THEIR INDEPENDENCE  WHICH OCCURRED AFTER 600 YEARS  OF being under  ttoman rule and partially Persian,Russian as well.We are a nation (now Nation/State)  that  likle the Spanish people,after  -wat similarity- 600 yrs  of being conquered and ruled  by North African khaliphates…got armed and  the princes  there united under Izabel La Catolica-who later decared  herself Queen of Spain) drove the invader/Conquerers  out  OUT!!!!
SO ARMENIANS  HAVE  ,HAVE  HAD ALL THE RIGHT  TO DO JUST  TODAY ON ARMENIAN H1  HOW ARMENIANS MUSTERED UP CLOUT FORMED  AN ARMY WTH RUSSIAN TRAINED OFFICERS(WHAT ‘S WRONG WITH  THAT?IF TURKISH ARMY IS BEING TRAIEND  BY U.S.  ONE? EH, THEN FOUGHT AT SARDARABAD AND HELD THE TURKISH ARMIES BACK AND DECLARED INDEPENDENCE,BEFORE  THEY COULD COME INTO EASTERN ARMEIA..INDEED ,READ  HIOSTORY THEN ATATURK WELL FIRBISHED WITH BRIOTISH ARMAMENT A T  KARS  CAME UPON NEWLY INDEPENDENT ARMENIA  AND AND ON THE OTHER  SIDE THE RD  ARMIES,SO ARMENIANS PREFERRED TO GIVE  IN TO THE LATTER PLEASE  READ  HISTORY..THSE  TURKISHJ PEOPLE  HERE  THINK THEY KNOW  THAT OR ELSE  THEY STILL THINK THEY ARE OTTOMAN EMPIRES.MY FRIENDS  BRITSH EMPIRES  BECAME GREAT  BRIATAIN THEM  U.K… WHAT  DOS  THAT SUGGEST, GHANDI NCIELY COURTEOUSLY ASKED  THEM  OUT  OF IDA..DR, MOSSADEQUE  OF IRAN LIKEWISE ASKED THE BRITS  OUT OF THE OIL  RICH IRAN’S  OILDFIELDS,  PEOPLE  WHO OWN THEIR LAND AND HAVE BEEN THERE  ARE ENTITLED  TO  THAT.AM TYPONG  FAST  I CANNO TEACH HISTORY AND SIMIARITIES  HERE.PLEASE FORGIVE  MY BAD TYPING  WHAT’S MORE  AM CLOSE TO 80 AND FINGERS  ARE NOT LONGER  LIKE BEFORE..PLEASE GO TO LIBRARIES  AND DO RESEARCXH THERE DEAR  TURKISH INTELELCTUALS  TOO.
 
BEST RGDS,
TO ALL  

]]> By: Ferhathttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/07/20/the-jews-of-turkey-and-the-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-7632 Ferhat Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:04:51 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=3062#comment-7632 I would hate to see a widening gap between Armenians and Jews. Both of your peoples suffered terrible massacres and mass executions on the hands of Ottoman Turks and German Nazis. Once again, turks are coming out smart due to their 1000 year political diplomacy, whereas Armenians are falling into this trap built exclusively by turks. Their aim is to seperate Armenians from Jews. Do not fall into this useless claims that "Jews were responsible for the Genocide," this is all the making of the Ottoman tuks and their German friends to weaken both Armenia and Israel.It was the ottoman turks that committed the Genocide, and not the Jews. Israel will come to recognize the Genocide. Turkish killing machine will and shall end soon. Turks caused innumerable deaths of innocent Greeks, Armenians,  Albanians, Hungaryans, Bulgarians, Serbians, Austrians, Jews, Romanians and the list is too damn long. Turks repeatedly call Armenians, Kurds and Hungarians as the three peoples who succumbed easily under turkish onslaught. Just last week a Hungarian national was beaten by three alleged "grey wolves" punks in Adana, calling the poor Hungarian a "pig," a reference for his Christian belief, telling him to go back to Buda(an apparent reference to Budapest), and his girlfriend manhandled, almost raped. They sprayed the number 121,001, apparently calling the poor and helpless Hungarian as their victim #121,001. Such arrogance the world has never seen before. Ferhat     I would hate to see a widening gap between Armenians and Jews. Both of your peoples suffered terrible massacres and mass executions on the hands of Ottoman Turks and German Nazis.
Once again, turks are coming out smart due to their 1000 year political diplomacy, whereas Armenians are falling into this trap built exclusively by turks. Their aim is to seperate Armenians from Jews. Do not fall into this useless claims that “Jews were responsible for the Genocide,” this is all the making of the Ottoman tuks and their German friends to weaken both Armenia and Israel.

It was the ottoman turks that committed the Genocide, and not the Jews.
Israel will come to recognize the Genocide.
Turkish killing machine will and shall end soon.
Turks caused innumerable deaths of innocent Greeks, Armenians,  Albanians, Hungaryans, Bulgarians, Serbians, Austrians, Jews, Romanians and the list is too damn long.
Turks repeatedly call Armenians, Kurds and Hungarians as the three peoples who succumbed easily under turkish onslaught. Just last week a Hungarian national was beaten by three alleged “grey wolves” punks in Adana, calling the poor Hungarian a “pig,” a reference for his Christian belief, telling him to go back to Buda(an apparent reference to Budapest), and his girlfriend manhandled, almost raped. They sprayed the number 121,001, apparently calling the poor and helpless Hungarian as their victim #121,001. Such arrogance the world has never seen before.
Ferhat
 
 

]]> By: Henry Dumanianhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/07/20/the-jews-of-turkey-and-the-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-7624 Henry Dumanian Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:55:01 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=3062#comment-7624 Mr. Hoffman,   I can't speak for Armenian intellectuals -- but it is a possibility that they do not in fact agree with Israeli policies of today.  And second, it goes beyond the "realpolitik" of the Armenian and Israeli governments.  Organized American Jewry has opposed the term "genocide" for a very long time -- and even now, after accepting it rather reluctantly, have yet to side with us on the recognition issue.  The correct analogy would be the Armenian government's respone to the Holocaust in trying to warm ties with Iran.  Armenia and its Diaspora are not on an ACTIVE campaign to stop Holocaust recognition or affirmation, as are the Jews and the Israeli government.  The comparison is bogus.   But if we're talking about intellectuals -- the greatest deniers in academia are Jewish -- Heath Lowry, Bernard Lewis, etc.   (And I don't want to get into how the Armenians have been treated in Israel...meanwhile the Jews in Armenia have probably enjoyed one of the most constant periods of peace ANYWHERE in the world). Mr. Hoffman,
 
I can’t speak for Armenian intellectuals — but it is a possibility that they do not in fact agree with Israeli policies of today.  And second, it goes beyond the “realpolitik” of the Armenian and Israeli governments.  Organized American Jewry has opposed the term “genocide” for a very long time — and even now, after accepting it rather reluctantly, have yet to side with us on the recognition issue.  The correct analogy would be the Armenian government’s respone to the Holocaust in trying to warm ties with Iran.  Armenia and its Diaspora are not on an ACTIVE campaign to stop Holocaust recognition or affirmation, as are the Jews and the Israeli government.  The comparison is bogus.
 
But if we’re talking about intellectuals — the greatest deniers in academia are Jewish — Heath Lowry, Bernard Lewis, etc.
 
(And I don’t want to get into how the Armenians have been treated in Israel…meanwhile the Jews in Armenia have probably enjoyed one of the most constant periods of peace ANYWHERE in the world).

]]> By: Krikorhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/07/20/the-jews-of-turkey-and-the-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-7621 Krikor Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:05:51 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=3062#comment-7621 After reading what everyone had to say whether they are Armenians or not, is not the issue. Look on the bright side of everything. What happened in the past was a terrible crime against humanity. When a child commits a mistake against his brother the parent teaches that child to apologize to his brother. That was the model role of a parent in charge, but in that only happens to children. As for grown ups the rules of discipline do not comply!!! But, the day will come even though denying sounds easy to some, they will have to accept the facts and then it will be so ever more shamefull !!!!!!!    After reading what everyone had to say whether they are Armenians or not, is not the issue. Look on the bright side of everything. What happened in the past was a terrible crime against humanity. When a child commits a mistake against his brother the parent teaches that child to apologize to his brother. That was the model role of a parent in charge, but in that only happens to children. As for grown ups the rules of discipline do not comply!!! But, the day will come even though denying sounds easy to some, they will have to accept the facts and then it will be so ever more shamefull !!!!!!!   

]]> By: robert hoffmanhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/07/20/the-jews-of-turkey-and-the-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-5323 robert hoffman Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:53:54 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=3062#comment-5323 dear denis and sevan.i am a jewish scholar of armenian studies.while it is true that the israeli and american governments and establishments do not   recognize the armenian genocide;the overwhelming majority of jews and armenians do fully believe in the horrific genocid in syria lebanones that befell their peoples.the exact same is true of the current armenian govt,and the establishments of armenians in syria,lebanon,jordan iraq,egypt and turkey who never support israel in the face of arab lies and vicious propaganda.that i can undeerstand as realpolitik on both sides.what is difficult to comprehend is ;why armeian scholars have never collectively sided with israel.yes,many times jewish scholars and intellectuals have always publicly supported the armeian cause as sevan has stated. dear denis and sevan.i am a jewish scholar of armenian studies.while it is true that the israeli and american governments and establishments do not   recognize the armenian genocide;the overwhelming majority of jews and armenians do fully believe in the horrific genocid in syria lebanones that befell their peoples.the exact same is true of the current armenian govt,and the establishments of armenians in syria,lebanon,jordan iraq,egypt and turkey who never support israel in the face of arab lies and vicious propaganda.that i can undeerstand as realpolitik on both sides.what is difficult to comprehend is ;why armeian scholars have never collectively sided with israel.yes,many times jewish scholars and intellectuals have always publicly supported the armeian cause as sevan has stated.

]]> By: Denis Ojalvohttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/07/20/the-jews-of-turkey-and-the-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-5073 Denis Ojalvo Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:57:56 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=3062#comment-5073 Dear Hay, You may send your photos and docs to my e-mail: <a href="mailto:serveks@tnn.net" rel="nofollow">serveks@tnn.net</a> All the best, Denis Dear Hay,
You may send your photos and docs to my e-mail: serveks@tnn.net
All the best,
Denis

]]> By: Armenian_Hayhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/07/20/the-jews-of-turkey-and-the-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-5068 Armenian_Hay Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:18:02 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=3062#comment-5068 Denis, I see, in fact, you meant  Sevan's talk. I check books and papers that I can retrieve and send you some interesting scanned papers or photographies. A<em> practica</em>l questions is : "where is the link to attach file to comment, on this site ?" <em>May I suggest you to create an Anonymous Mail Box to receive those files?</em> Give my 4 or 5 days to collect and scan. Regards A_H Denis,
I see, in fact, you meant  Sevan’s talk.
I check books and papers that I can retrieve and send you some interesting scanned papers or photographies.
A practical questions is : “where is the link to attach file to comment, on this site ?”
May I suggest you to create an Anonymous Mail Box to receive those files?
Give my 4 or 5 days to collect and scan.
Regards
A_H

]]> By: Denis Ojalvohttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/07/20/the-jews-of-turkey-and-the-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-5027 Denis Ojalvo Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:04:15 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=3062#comment-5027 Dear Hay,I was drawn into useless polemics because of  Sevan's following libelous canard: QUOTE <strong><em>It’s an undeniable fact that Israel and Turkey are two twin Jewish states in the Middle East and even Muslim Turkish intellectuals recognize this fact.The Sabbateans and other Crypto Jews in Turkey founded the secular Republic of Turkey and by annihilating Christian subjects they became the kings and queens of the new Turkish Republic in all spheres like Business,Art,Military,Bureaucracy.</em></strong> UNQUOTE This is an ugly lie and a cheap defamation. Sevan's subsequent assertions give full proof that he adopts the rhetoric of Moslem fundamentalists who wish to delegitimize the secular Turkish Republic by imputing on it a Jewish identity and by disseminating the lie that the Republic of Turkey is the fruit of a Jewish conspiracy. The fact that you took Sevan's rants as a referral, induced me to answer.  However, from your message I couldn't ascertain to which one of his lies you were referring. I think that GOOD FAITH is quintessential if we are going to conduct a civilized dialogue. Sevan's rhetoric makes all efforts in this direction futile. I sincerely invite the "accredited" Armenian instances to endorse or publicly repudiate Sevan's above quoted allegations.Yours, Denis Dear Hay,

I was drawn into useless polemics because of  Sevan’s following libelous canard:
QUOTE
It’s an undeniable fact that Israel and Turkey are two twin Jewish states in the Middle East and even Muslim Turkish intellectuals recognize this fact.The Sabbateans and other Crypto Jews in Turkey founded the secular Republic of Turkey and by annihilating Christian subjects they became the kings and queens of the new Turkish Republic in all spheres like Business,Art,Military,Bureaucracy.
UNQUOTE
This is an ugly lie and a cheap defamation. Sevan’s subsequent assertions give full proof that he adopts the rhetoric of Moslem fundamentalists who wish to delegitimize the secular Turkish Republic by imputing on it a Jewish identity and by disseminating the lie that the Republic of Turkey is the fruit of a Jewish conspiracy.
The fact that you took Sevan’s rants as a referral, induced me to answer.  However, from your message I couldn’t ascertain to which one of his lies you were referring.
I think that GOOD FAITH is quintessential if we are going to conduct a civilized dialogue.
Sevan’s rhetoric makes all efforts in this direction futile.
I sincerely invite the “accredited” Armenian instances to endorse or publicly repudiate Sevan’s above quoted allegations.

Yours,
Denis

]]> By: Armenian_Hayhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/07/20/the-jews-of-turkey-and-the-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-5025 Armenian_Hay Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:45:53 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=3062#comment-5025 Mr.OJALVO, would you <em>underline</em> that part of my message. I'll send you the quote. Generaly speaking, I have made my own small 'biblio' and I can always cite my references... or send copies by Air-mail. Regards A_H Mr.OJALVO,
would you underline that part of my message.
I’ll send you the quote.
Generaly speaking, I have made my own small ‘biblio’ and I can always cite my references… or send copies by Air-mail.
Regards
A_H

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