Comments on: Astarjian: Is it a Bat or a Rat?

By: gaytzag Palandjian

gaytzag Palandjian — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:20:22 +0000

Dear Samvel,
I beg to differ.From time casi(quassi) immemorial….great Turkey has been supported by its allies,even before the present Euro-American British one,then with a somewhat different face.This becasue these still pursue-notwithstanding Russian overtures to Democray etc. -latter in their eyes is an adversary not to say enemy.Meaning ,also even though they have become a capitalist style run entity, they still are RRRRusians of Peter the Great ,later soviet RRussia.In my humble viewppoint,it was easier for them to forget and forgive Germany´s animocity -don´t forget an anglo saxon nation-than make up with present Russian replica of a capitalistic regime.
And this will go on untill an unknown period of time..
Armenia cannot but still stake its hope on only either integrating into further Russian sphere,so to sepak-it already forms part of the 5 nation pact-or else, as is being now staged, a rapprochement-unwillingly-to the Euro-Am backed great Turkey.Granted,if this last option is excercised there may be some breathing space for Armenia, however fictive, it will pave the way for some normalization.
Other than that,great Turkey has to by and by come to terms,not only with an autonomous Kurdisstan and in extension-automatically-parcelling our of some portion of Anatolia(actually western Armenia) the real and lawfull owners of it.There are some signs of gradual softening up of present turkish regime,though aesthetic,but nonetheless a process that will end up in actual change.
This change ,albeit superficial, will also penetrate by and by (along some 5/10 years)into Turkey chaning its hard stance to a more flexible one.Iran also does actually enter into the picture ,Western Euro-Am opposing its nucldear programme.Witness recent slow rapprochement in this dirfection too.They know full well that Iran is not Shah´s Iran anymore and will have to face up to it.
Nato being disbanded is a far cry therefore, from what is on the scene, since-this is where you err,if I may say so-they still depend on it tremendously,both for the Northern Bear and also Middle Eastern issues,still pending to be solved.
Hama Haigagani SIRO,
gaytzag palandjian

By: Samvel Jeshmaridian, PhD

Samvel Jeshmaridian, PhD — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:35:39 +0000

NATO shall disband because of Turkey. Remember! jeshmarid@yahoo.com

By: gaytzag Palandjian

gaytzag Palandjian — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:43:09 +0000

Dear Dr.Astarjian,
Firstly, your description of the countenance of the man Davoutoghlu is superb and on top of it what his eyse this that convey.A perfect analysis-this because you are a medical doctor? also that.But I admire your delving into his inherited capabilities from his ancestors…
I was also watching Al Jazeera-perchance -at that moment when he was being interviewed-the wily,a bat´s-like eyes and dirty smiles,plus his cunningly thought of utterances fit your imging him.
Now tothe other points you have so well pinpointed.All is perfectly narrated,one by one.
May I add just one more detail? no,not to this fox-like person,his personality and his morale,but one main fact that Mr. Bagrad Nazarian has overlooked ,you as well, with reference to the best ever one.
That of “Ottoman turkish Military Tribunals” -their own highest military court-that judged and condemned the mastermind killers-murderers ,Talaat,Enver and Jamal,plus quite a few others..who were to be punished but with help of theirown government “slipped out” and turned up in Malta,Berlin,Rome and other cities of Europe.However our avengers took carfe of them properly.
Sometimes I wonder why,when talk of digging up archives,examine these and convening historians to ascertain whether it was a Genocide that they perpetrated on their”raya” Eermenis or otherwise,our side does not reply:-JUST GO THROUGH YOUR ABOVE TRIBUNAL´S FILES….WHICH OUGHT TO BE SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO MAKE IT STICK!!!!
Hama Haigagani SIRO
gaytzag palandjian

By: Bagrad Nazarian

Bagrad Nazarian — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:01:14 +0000

It is appropriate to examine Turkey’s internal and international policies constructively. 1. Armenian Genocide, a well established fact throughout the world except where racist nationalist ideologies dominate, especially Republics of Turkey and Azerbaijan and a number of their apologists. Denying the Armenian Genocide is as insensate as denying that WWI did take place or insisting that the earth is flat! The massive denialist and distortive efforts of Turkey involving multi-million expenditure annually often with borrowed money from Europe and US has failed utterly. Additionally Turkey’s attitude has dented the credibility of the Americans and its other pathetic apologists. 2. Western Armenia; The Great Tragedy: Dual Crimes of Genocide and Occupation against Armenia. The primary reason why the Genocide was committed was due to Pan-Turanic expansionist policies, an ideology very similar to the racist-nationalist Nazi ideology of later years and one that continues in Turkey (and Azerbaijan) today, especially in the form of Deep State terrorism. Genocide was specifically committed for the occupation of Western Armenia. Turkism’s attempt to destroy Eastern Armenia however failed because of Russian intervention, consequently Russians are disliked. The Armenian Diaspora remains possibly the most advanced Diaspora in the world. Its friends are practically countless; its strength and resources grow constantly. It remains an integral part of united Armenia and its outlook remains deeply democratic and patriotic as far as its country of origin is concerned. 3. Opening of the borders (between Eastern and Western Armenia). It is high time thousands of years of realities were recognised. If Turkey behaves, which is most unlikely, the Genocidal and occupation roles it has played in the past can be corrected and the situation can be brought into the European Cultural Frontiers. However in order to step into such a reality effectively it will be necessary for the European Union, Russia and the US to act jointly. 4. Azerbaijan; the current surreptitious Turanian pan-Turk policy emanating from Ankara and Baku is one nation two states, a childishly unrealistic concoction as the two nations have thoroughly different backgrounds. Azerbaijan’s Aliev dynasty remains amazingly autocratic and anachronistic. As the situation stands there is no chance of respite. It’s extremist ideology based on Turkism remains a danger to its neighbours. Its infantile tantrums on a number of issues has placed its oil and gas installations, on land as well as on the Caspian, at significant risk. 5.Turkey’s Internal Affairs; Instead of proposing disingenuous joint historical commissions with Armenia to examine 100% proved facts regarding the Armenian Genocide it is high time it abolished its state sponsored manufacture of kindergarten official history and permitted all its population freedom of expression and thought, especially by abolishing the existing draconian repressive laws thus prompting its intellectuals/academics/students… and journalists to debate its entire history freely and without fear of getting persecuted, prosecuted or murdered, such as Hrant Dink, Orhan Pamuk, Ragip Zarakolou … and lesser known thousands more. Judicial murder must end. 6. Turkey’s State Terrorism; this dangerous aspect has two tentacles: 1. Official; 2. Deep State. Official terrorism is best demonstrated by the destruction of thousands of Kurdish villages in the East of the country and in the process murder of tens of thousands. This Nato member has destroyed far greater number swathes of Kurdish lands than Sadam Hussein’s Iraq. This is just one example. In this type of terrorism the elected government is part of the combination. Deep State terrorism; a very well publicised development especially within the country it is predominantly organised by the military, gendarmerie, the secret services and the sections of the police force; within these organisations the ideology of Turkism dominates. The elected government invariably have no control open the Deep State terrorism and it remains the true power behind the parliamentary façade. When official terrorism is in action Deep State terrorism automatically compliments in the destructions. The only way to eliminate State Terrorism in Anatolia is for the US, Russia and the EU to act jointly if necessary militarily to restructure the Turkism based regime in Ankara otherwise all Turkey’s neighbours will suffer significantly greater losses, and eventually this danger which may ABS development weapons in the country that can be aggressively used against the EU and others. It has to be remembered that during the early part of the 19th century the Jenissarys, the most powerful military organisation in the country had to be completely wiped out because they were persistently interfering adversely with the state affairs. 6.Turkey’s external aspects; perpetual jingoistic outlook; the hysterical anti Armenian outlook well known throughout the world consequently no need to elaborate further. Just to note that large quantities of arms have been shipped to Azerbaijan in order to facilitate “the younger brother’s” proxy war against Armenia, thus attempting to permanently usurp Armenian territories which is Nagorno Karabagh/Artsakh, and Nakhichevan. It is now to the thorough interest of the EU, Russia and the US to reconstruct Armenia upon its plateau so that the great danger emanating from Turkism is eliminated. Georgia has lost significant territories to Turkey and shortly after WWII claimed them. Georgia has also lost significant terrorism to Azerbaijan; Iraqi Kurdistan: constant bombardment and incursions by Turkish forces during the last 20 years; Syria: Occupation of Alexandretta shortly before the WWII; Cyprus still under Turkish occupation. The EU remains pathetically ineffective in defending its territory; Greece: Constant harassment of its territorial waters and a number of its islands – another example of EU supine mentality. Turkey has ZERO CHANCE of joining the EU in the foreseeable future as European democratic and liberal values remain deeply alien to its mentality. Even when progressive legislation is passed under EU pressure, they are often not implemented.