Comments on: Erdogan: We Should Not Confuse Gaza with Darfur http://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/11/erdogan-we-should-not-confuse-gaza-with-darfur/ Published by the Hairenik Association, Inc. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:30:46 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: gaytzag Palandjianhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/11/erdogan-we-should-not-confuse-gaza-with-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-5249 gaytzag Palandjian Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:44:27 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4588#comment-5249 Please!!!never mix Islam or muslim with Ottoman turkish inherited present great Turkey.Arabs,Persians and other muslim people  have nothing  in common with  t  u  r  k  s   ...Just try to remember,when war had broken out in NK Karabagh , the Azeris and great Turkey tried hard to wrap it around our necks that Armenians  were killing muslims,plainly in order to get the Muslim world on their side...no such thing!it was because  of Ottoma n  inherited diplomacy to  further decimatge Armenians on their way to greater turkey,or  if you will Turanism -.as Turgut Ozal ex Premier  ,or President of latter  boasted ,"we shall extend our reign from the Balkans to the Chinese walls  once again and make it a great TURAN, read great  Turkey-as he used to dub  it-when ,luckily we somehow convinced the other muslims  that  we have had  no problem living amongst persians  arabs  or any other  muslim country. Now while I do appreciate what Stepan so well distinguishes  between people and Government Policy of great Turkey,trying to make us aprehend-comprehend this,it is as yet the GOVERNMENT and Erdogan´s like that rule that strengthened  republic  of Turkey............. by allies...who are incognizant  of latter´s  true  intentions... Making  an effort to enlighten the turkish intellectuals and by extgension their public is fine, a good  idea and approval  by all,however,please do not forget the fact  that people ARE  RULED BY SUCH CORRUPT AND DECEITFULL, not to say fascist,or perhaps yes  fascist  people.It  is incumbent on the ordinary turk to wake up to stand up and emancipate  and throw out such filth from amongst themselves and become a repentent ,humble and honest neighbour  with Armenia and others... Thence to  argue that that they are ALRFEADY SO  is futile, they still need to be educated as to what transpired  in the last two centuries  in their  usurped  lands...conquerers are known to be  driven out,dont´forget...´from land  not their own...some day great Turkey  will be  properly divided  between Lazistan,Kurdistan,Western Armenia and possibly partially also Greeks... Times change.... gaytz Please!!!never mix Islam or muslim with Ottoman turkish inherited present great Turkey.Arabs,Persians and other muslim people  have nothing  in common with  t  u  r  k  s   …Just try to remember,when war had broken out in NK Karabagh , the Azeris and great Turkey tried hard to wrap it around our necks that Armenians  were killing muslims,plainly in order to get the Muslim world on their side…no such thing!it was because  of Ottoma n  inherited diplomacy to  further decimatge Armenians on their way to greater turkey,or  if you will Turanism -.as Turgut Ozal ex Premier  ,or President of latter  boasted ,”we shall extend our reign from the Balkans to the Chinese walls  once again and make it a great TURAN, read great  Turkey-as he used to dub  it-when ,luckily we somehow convinced the other muslims  that  we have had  no problem living amongst persians  arabs  or any other  muslim country.
Now while I do appreciate what Stepan so well distinguishes  between people and Government Policy of great Turkey,trying to make us aprehend-comprehend this,it is as yet the GOVERNMENT and Erdogan´s like that rule that strengthened  republic  of Turkey…………. by allies…who are incognizant  of latter´s  true  intentions…
Making  an effort to enlighten the turkish intellectuals and by extgension their public is fine, a good  idea and approval  by all,however,please do not forget the fact  that people ARE  RULED BY SUCH CORRUPT AND DECEITFULL, not to say fascist,or perhaps yes  fascist  people.It  is incumbent on the ordinary turk to wake up to stand up and emancipate  and throw out such filth from amongst themselves and become a repentent ,humble and honest neighbour  with Armenia and others…
Thence to  argue that that they are ALRFEADY SO  is futile, they still need to be educated as to what transpired  in the last two centuries  in their  usurped  lands…conquerers are known to be  driven out,dont´forget…´from land  not their own…some day great Turkey  will be  properly divided  between Lazistan,Kurdistan,Western Armenia and possibly partially also Greeks…
Times change….
gaytz

]]> By: Stepanhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/11/erdogan-we-should-not-confuse-gaza-with-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-5245 Stepan Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:10:26 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4588#comment-5245    Erodogan is a master politican. The Turks have had many in their grand plan of denial. Let's keep in mind that his public inconsistencies would not tolerated were it not for the political capital of Turkey in the world of geopolitics. Sylva makes a very good point that we need to remind ourselves as we pursue justice. Our issue is with the governmental policy of Turkey..... not with Muslims or even Turks as a people. Remember that this seemingly endless proceess of governments "recognizing" the Genocide(and then "unrecognizing" when the government changes) will end only as change continue within Turkey.              We can debate this , but the fact remains that Turkey will acknowledge the Genocide when they view it is in their interests. Now that may come as a result of a final EU hurdle or perhaps from internal enlightenment. They know what happened, but they have a huge political problem. After decades of rewriting history and educating their young as if the Armenian homeland in Anatolian never existed; how do they tell their people it was all denial? That's a process for them. We can accelerate it by encouraging the enlightened elements emerging in Turkish society.                  If we are serious about being a player in this game,thereis no room for racism or ethnic stereotyping. That has sustained our devastated self-esteem for years; but now we have a real chance to bring this to light. We must be commited to the political process and not distractions.             We must show the world that we are the descendants of this glorious people that has contributed so much to civilization. We should be the loudestvoices against what is happening in Darfur; not because al-Bashir may go to Turkey, BUT BECAUSE IT IS GENOCIDE AND AS VICTIMS WE KNOW AND HAVE A MORAL RESPONSIBILITY  TO SPEAK. Does it sound familiar?  There was no genocide. There were war casualties. It's an internal matter. Kharpet, Erzerum, Bosia, Darufur!!!!  As Armenians; where is our outrage? We want respect because we were victims.That's fair, of course. It's also fair to expect that we will use our misfortune to help others. As a Chrisitian people, we must expect noless from ourselves. Perhaps ,these are new fronts that can also help our cause.    Erodogan is a master politican. The Turks have had many in their grand plan of denial. Let’s keep in mind that his public inconsistencies would not tolerated were it not for the political capital of Turkey in the world of geopolitics. Sylva makes a very good point that we need to remind ourselves as we pursue justice. Our issue is with the governmental policy of Turkey….. not with Muslims or even Turks as a people. Remember that this seemingly endless proceess of governments “recognizing”
the Genocide(and then “unrecognizing” when the government changes) will end only as change continue within Turkey.
             We can debate this , but the fact remains that Turkey will acknowledge the Genocide when they view it is in their interests. Now that may come as a result of a final EU hurdle or perhaps from internal enlightenment. They know what happened, but they have a huge political problem. After
decades of rewriting history and educating their young as if the Armenian homeland in Anatolian
never existed; how do they tell their people it was all denial? That’s a process for them. We can accelerate it by encouraging the enlightened elements emerging in Turkish society.
                 If we are serious about being a player in this game,thereis no room for racism or ethnic
stereotyping. That has sustained our devastated self-esteem for years; but now we have a real chance
to bring this to light. We must be commited to the political process and not distractions.
            We must show the world that we are the descendants of this glorious people that has contributed so much to civilization. We should be the loudestvoices against what is happening in Darfur; not because al-Bashir may go to Turkey, BUT BECAUSE IT IS GENOCIDE AND AS VICTIMS WE KNOW AND HAVE A MORAL RESPONSIBILITY  TO SPEAK. Does it sound familiar?  There was no genocide.
There were war casualties. It’s an internal matter. Kharpet, Erzerum, Bosia, Darufur!!!!  As Armenians; where is our outrage? We want respect because we were victims.That’s fair, of course. It’s also fair to expect that we will use our misfortune to help others. As a Chrisitian people, we must expect noless from ourselves. Perhaps ,these are new fronts that can also help our cause.

]]> By: Sylva-MD-Poetryhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/11/erdogan-we-should-not-confuse-gaza-with-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-5241 Sylva-MD-Poetry Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:18:34 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4588#comment-5241 Darfur’s Dark Dawns in 2008Darfur* dark days Still as started, remains. This is the year 2008, Can each one of us yell For hearing screams? The pains in hearts All deeply carved. Who’s able to heal The past-present injuries? Thy must be born of heroic seeds! Thy need a brave soul, A virtuous human Who can sand their fists Blind slayers eyes To stripe bloods. Where are the teargases, Silencing horse riders; the Janjaweeds. Those teargases are always Used to diffuse hard workers, strikers— Who always inquire peace. They need some—I can’t say what! To paralyze those shark minds. Someone must invent such mats.** Let us promote those tasks stimulate, support, Treating broken hunches, to run advance!__________________________________ * Darfur genocide: The conflict started in February 2003, ethnic, tribal, non-religious.Nevertheless Arabs against non-Arabs. Muslims killing Muslims’ humans. ** mats: materials  Darfur’s Dark Dawns in 2008

Darfur* dark days
Still as started, remains.
This is the year 2008,
Can each one of us yell
For hearing screams?
The pains in hearts
All deeply carved.
Who’s able to heal
The past-present injuries?
Thy must be born of heroic seeds!
Thy need a brave soul,
A virtuous human
Who can sand their fists
Blind slayers eyes
To stripe bloods.
Where are the teargases,
Silencing horse riders; the Janjaweeds.
Those teargases are always
Used to diffuse hard workers, strikers—
Who always inquire peace.
They need some—I can’t say what!
To paralyze those shark minds.
Someone must invent such mats.**
Let us promote those tasks stimulate, support,
Treating broken hunches, to run advance!

__________________________________
* Darfur genocide: The conflict started in February 2003, ethnic, tribal, non-religious.

Nevertheless Arabs against non-Arabs. Muslims killing Muslims’ humans.
** mats: materials

 

]]> By: george bereshttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/11/erdogan-we-should-not-confuse-gaza-with-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-5236 george beres Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:46:38 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4588#comment-5236 I'm disturbed by the comment of Arius, who says Hamas wishes to commit mass murder against Israel.  That is as farfetched as suggesting Armenians wished to slaughter Turks in the early 1900s.  Hamas is fighting a defensive battle with few military resources against an invader and looter.  Hamas should be supported for the same reasons I, a Greek, support Armenians against Turkey's lying historians. I’m disturbed by the comment of Arius, who says Hamas wishes to commit mass murder against Israel.  That is as farfetched as suggesting Armenians wished to slaughter Turks in the early 1900s.  Hamas is fighting a defensive battle with few military resources against an invader and looter.  Hamas should be supported for the same reasons I, a Greek, support Armenians against Turkey’s lying historians.

]]> By: Sylva-MD-Poetryhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/11/erdogan-we-should-not-confuse-gaza-with-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-5233 Sylva-MD-Poetry Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:21:19 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4588#comment-5233    Please Arius, Don't mix things together. Arabs also suffered from Turks. The religin nothing to do with humanity. I never heard an Arab killing Armenian they respect us.Read those translated poems by Arab poets. from the book A Poetic Soul Shined of Genocides __________________________________________ When the poet, Assad Rustom heard that his friends were hanged, he wrote the famous poem, sharply criticizing,insulting Jamal the butcher. <strong><strong><em> The Sons of Turks You are Never Muslims“Jamal - Sir! your name means beauty But you’re awfully ugly Your tongue and palms are fully dirty. You are senseless, criminal, full of sins You have no spirit, no clean soul,Deficient of manhood humanity. </em></strong></strong> ____________________________________  he Syrian poet, Nasseb Areedah wrote his untitled poem: “Coffin his body Bury his soul In the deepest grave Don’t feel sorry Don’t lament Who is disloyal Remain soulless dead Can never woke up to feelYet to regret.”<strong><strong><strong><em> _______________ Another poem from AlzarkaliThe Arabs and the Turks  </em></strong></strong></strong>“Those Turks the grandsons of Genghis Khan. Took young Arabs pushed them to a slave bazaar. Promised statements changed abruptly, Acting exactly the opposite for those held in custody Torturing, humiliating, insulting the braves. Yet on what they swore, pretending agreed. They are dishonest, soulless, enjoys greed.” _____________________________________ The Lebanese poet, poem, Fuad  Al Khateeb blaming the Turks,“You Turks harmed our people in their joints so hard Till swords blade awoke to vengeance sharply shard.”_____________________________________________ The Armenians helped Jamal the so-called the Ottoman Empire-Astana. Later he betrayed not only the Armenians but also the entire nationalists of the Middle East. He started killing them from Anatolian mountains reaching Yemen including holy land of Muslims, the Arabia. <strong><strong><em><strong><strong><strong><em>   <strong>If you read their poems you will get shocked what they did for Arabs  in Macca( Now Saudi Arabia) also are doing for kurds who are Sunni  muslims.</strong></em></strong></strong></strong></em></strong></strong> <strong>If you read their poems you will get shocked what they did for Arabs  in Macca( Now Saudi Arabia) also are doing for kurds who are Sunni  muslims.</strong>  

 

 

Please Arius, Don’t mix things together. Arabs also suffered from Turks. The religin nothing to do with humanity. I never heard an Arab killing Armenian they respect us.

Read those translated poems by Arab poets. from the book A Poetic Soul Shined of Genocides
__________________________________________
When the poet, Assad Rustom heard that his friends were hanged, he wrote the famous poem, sharply criticizing,insulting Jamal the butcher.

The Sons of Turks You are Never Muslims

“Jamal – Sir! your name means beauty
But you’re awfully ugly
Your tongue and palms are fully dirty.
You are senseless, criminal, full of sins
You have no spirit, no clean soul,

Deficient of manhood humanity.

____________________________________
 

he Syrian poet, Nasseb Areedah wrote his untitled poem:
“Coffin his body
Bury his soul
In the deepest grave
Don’t feel sorry
Don’t lament
Who is disloyal
Remain soulless dead
Can never woke up to feel

Yet to regret.”


_______________
Another poem from Alzarkali

The Arabs and the Turks

 

“Those Turks the grandsons of Genghis Khan.
Took young Arabs pushed them to a slave bazaar.
Promised statements changed abruptly,
Acting exactly the opposite for those held in custody
Torturing, humiliating, insulting the braves.
Yet on what they swore, pretending agreed.
They are dishonest, soulless, enjoys greed.”
_____________________________________
The Lebanese poet, poem, Fuad  Al Khateeb blaming the Turks,

“You Turks harmed our people in their joints so hard
Till swords blade awoke to vengeance sharply shard.”

_____________________________________________
The Armenians helped Jamal the so-called the Ottoman Empire-Astana. Later he betrayed not only the Armenians but also the entire nationalists of the Middle East. He started killing them from Anatolian mountains reaching Yemen including holy land of Muslims, the Arabia.

 
If you read their poems you will get shocked what they did for Arabs  in Macca( Now Saudi Arabia) also are doing for kurds who are Sunni  muslims.
If you read their poems you will get shocked what they did for Arabs  in Macca( Now Saudi Arabia) also are doing for kurds who are Sunni  muslims.

]]> By: martyhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/11/erdogan-we-should-not-confuse-gaza-with-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-5231 marty Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:05:31 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4588#comment-5231 If Erdogan keeps up this distorted self image,  he's like to get classified with Ahmadinejad...   If Erdogan keeps up this distorted self image,  he’s like to get classified with Ahmadinejad…
 

]]> By: Baghdighttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/11/erdogan-we-should-not-confuse-gaza-with-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-5229 Baghdig Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:46:40 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4588#comment-5229 I thought only Ottoman history was being revised in Turkey. It seems history as it happens is also being revised to suit the agenda of Ankara's bandits.   I'm sure half dead Darfuri's are livid over this outrageous charade and rightly so. When the world is trying to galvanize efforts to stop the continuation of the genocide in Darfur and isolate Bashir, Ankara is happily selling them arms and attempting to cleanse Sudan's bloodied international reputation.   But then again the turks seem most comfortable in this role, not to mention their vast experience... I thought only Ottoman history was being revised in Turkey. It seems history as it happens is also being revised to suit the agenda of Ankara’s bandits.
 
I’m sure half dead Darfuri’s are livid over this outrageous charade and rightly so. When the world is trying to galvanize efforts to stop the continuation of the genocide in Darfur and isolate Bashir, Ankara is happily selling them arms and attempting to cleanse Sudan’s bloodied international reputation.
 
But then again the turks seem most comfortable in this role, not to mention their vast experience…

]]> By: Samvel Jeshmaridian, PhDhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/11/erdogan-we-should-not-confuse-gaza-with-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-5226 Samvel Jeshmaridian, PhD Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:12:31 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4588#comment-5226 It is the precise time for Mr. T. Sarksyan to say, "Mr. Erdoghan, You should not confuse Cyprus with Artzakh." It is the precise time for Mr. T. Sarksyan to say, “Mr. Erdoghan, You should not confuse Cyprus with Artzakh.”

]]> By: Papken Hartunianhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/11/erdogan-we-should-not-confuse-gaza-with-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-5225 Papken Hartunian Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:11:56 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4588#comment-5225 "A Muslim cannot commit genocide?” may be;  but of course  Turks can and have committed Armenian Genocide and continue even create a false history on the face of the world. For example, the so called protocols state wrongfully as if both the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Turkey have closed boarder between them. Whereas, the truth is that only the Turkey unilaterally has closed the boarder not Armenia. Under the the Constitution of the Republic of Turkey, whoever lives in Turkey is a Turk. " Turk" means "..a cruel, brutal, and domineering man." See Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language, ISBN:0-517-11864-5. Turk Erdogan does not respect the verdict of the International Criminal Court, however he expect us to believe him that he would respect the verdict of joint commission on Armenian Genocide. Who is kidding?   “A Muslim cannot commit genocide?” may be;  but of course  Turks can and have committed Armenian Genocide and continue even create a false history on the face of the world. For example, the so called protocols state wrongfully as if both the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Turkey have closed boarder between them. Whereas, the truth is that only the Turkey unilaterally has closed the boarder not Armenia.
Under the the Constitution of the Republic of Turkey, whoever lives in Turkey is a Turk. ” Turk” means “..a cruel, brutal, and domineering man.” See Webster’s Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language, ISBN:0-517-11864-5.
Turk Erdogan does not respect the verdict of the International Criminal Court, however he expect us to believe him that he would respect the verdict of joint commission on Armenian Genocide. Who is kidding?
 

]]> By: Nerses Artanhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/11/erdogan-we-should-not-confuse-gaza-with-darfur/comment-page-1/#comment-5222 Nerses Artan Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:29:30 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4588#comment-5222 The hatred of Turks towards foreigners is not only towards the living,but their desecration of cemeteries in Nachichevan,Cyprus and Anatolia today is proof of their hatred even towards the dead. The hatred of Turks towards foreigners is not only towards the living,but their desecration of cemeteries in Nachichevan,Cyprus and Anatolia today is proof of their hatred even towards the dead.

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