Comments on: Editorial: ‘Historic’ Indeed: Cemal Pasha’s Grandson in Watertown http://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/18/editorial-historic-indeed-cemal-pashas-grandson-in-watertown/ Published by the Hairenik Association, Inc. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:36:19 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Asbet Balanianhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/18/editorial-historic-indeed-cemal-pashas-grandson-in-watertown/comment-page-1/#comment-5464 Asbet Balanian Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:39:08 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4687#comment-5464 I am not blaming them, but this is not the first time. When Taner Akcam was in Philadelphia, almost no Armenians were there. Others had the same complains as me. For you information, I read most of the Armenian press, daily. By the way, who is "Friends of Hrant Dink"? I like to have some names and contacts. May be another organization, like the ones mushrooming everyday in the Armenian world. I am not blaming them, but this is not the first time. When Taner Akcam was in Philadelphia, almost no Armenians were there. Others had the same complains as me. For you information, I read most of the Armenian press, daily.
By the way, who is “Friends of Hrant Dink”? I like to have some names and contacts. May be another organization, like the ones mushrooming everyday in the Armenian world.

]]> By: Aramhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/18/editorial-historic-indeed-cemal-pashas-grandson-in-watertown/comment-page-1/#comment-5450 Aram Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:10:42 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4687#comment-5450 Mr. Balanian, The editorial mentions the organizers. Did you even read it? It's "Friends of Hrant Dink". Any many papers, including the Armenian Weekly, started publishing advertisements weeks before the event. Try subscribing to one of the local papers before blaming them... Mr. Balanian,
The editorial mentions the organizers. Did you even read it? It’s “Friends of Hrant Dink”. Any many papers, including the Armenian Weekly, started publishing advertisements weeks before the event. Try subscribing to one of the local papers before blaming them…

]]> By: Asbet Balanianhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/18/editorial-historic-indeed-cemal-pashas-grandson-in-watertown/comment-page-1/#comment-5449 Asbet Balanian Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:50:27 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4687#comment-5449 I am still waiting to find out who or which organization sponsored or organized this event. Why do we always hear about such events after the fact? I am sure, many including myself would like to attend such events, specially when the speaker is Jemal's grandson. I am still waiting to find out who or which organization sponsored or organized this event. Why do we always hear about such events after the fact? I am sure, many including myself would like to attend such events, specially when the speaker is Jemal’s grandson.

]]> By: ARAM AJAMIANhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/18/editorial-historic-indeed-cemal-pashas-grandson-in-watertown/comment-page-1/#comment-5423 ARAM AJAMIAN Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:02:05 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4687#comment-5423 IT MAKES ME THINK IF ANY OF HASAN CEMALS FAMILY OR HIS BELOVED TURKYISH PEOPEL ARE WILLING TO LISTEN TO THE GRANDSONS OFF STEPAN DZAGHIKIAN ,BEDROS DER BOGHOSIAN ,ARDASHES KEVORKIAN >>> AND LISTEN TO THE PAIN THAT THE GRANDPARENTS WHERE DEALING WITH THE LOSS OF THEIR FAMILIES AND 1.5 MILLION ARMENIANS WOULD THEY GIVE THEM THE SAME RESPECT ..... IT MAKES ME THINK IF ANY OF HASAN CEMALS FAMILY OR HIS BELOVED TURKYISH PEOPEL ARE WILLING TO LISTEN TO THE GRANDSONS OFF STEPAN DZAGHIKIAN ,BEDROS DER BOGHOSIAN ,ARDASHES KEVORKIAN >>> AND LISTEN TO THE PAIN THAT THE GRANDPARENTS WHERE DEALING WITH THE LOSS OF THEIR FAMILIES AND 1.5 MILLION ARMENIANS
WOULD THEY GIVE THEM THE SAME RESPECT …..

]]> By: Jimhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/18/editorial-historic-indeed-cemal-pashas-grandson-in-watertown/comment-page-1/#comment-5409 Jim Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:44:26 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4687#comment-5409 So help me understand.  What was the function of the Armenian "Scholar" on the panel.  He would make a good stand-in as a sympathetic Turkish scholar, one-upping Cemal... So help me understand.  What was the function of the Armenian “Scholar” on the panel.  He would make a good stand-in as a sympathetic Turkish scholar, one-upping Cemal…

]]> By: gaytzag Palandjianhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/18/editorial-historic-indeed-cemal-pashas-grandson-in-watertown/comment-page-1/#comment-5396 gaytzag Palandjian Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:17:42 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4687#comment-5396 A  BIT  OF GOOD NEWS:  Today´s latest on RA  H1  T.V.  some Turkish  newspapers or media  have scolded Mr. Aliev-some alleviation for us atg  last-that latter´s belicose rhetoric is tantamount  to he being either sick or "Himar" ,crazy-mad...when he ought to know that in case of declaring war on RA the Russian Federation,or the 5  nation ex-soviet states would  jointly defend RA... None  of which favour war in the Caucases ,but they wish that Azerbaijan would follow a peacefull settlement of the Nk conflict. It seems -like  many Armenians know quite well-that is the only language-unfortunately- that some in   Turkey understand,i.e., the power  of  force or show   of same. However, you never know,they may yet think otherwise.After all , a few  leftist  orDr. Akcam -Hasan-like  people " no pintan nada" means  they don´t paint nothing(important,I´d add).It is the great Turkish  government that  decides what is to be done.Hopefully though,some knowledgeable  persons in their government begin to realize  that the present world overall situation does not approve such tendencies, some probably  may pursuade the other tough- stance ones to also act accordingly. No state-nation desires  further military actions in that zone-this was also hinted  at in the broadcast-especially in a region oil rich and profitable- to those surrounding  it.There is much to be said in this respect,but all depends again on the KNOWLEDGEABLE  people  in governments of the world, who should try harder to pursuade the militarists to calm down and follow  their stance. Hama Haigagani SIRO, gaytzag  palandjian                   A  BIT  OF GOOD NEWS:  Today´s latest on RA  H1  T.V.  some Turkish  newspapers or media  have scolded Mr. Aliev-some alleviation for us atg  last-that latter´s belicose rhetoric is tantamount  to he being either sick or “Himar” ,crazy-mad…when he ought to know that in case of declaring war on RA the Russian Federation,or the 5  nation ex-soviet states would  jointly defend RA…
None  of which favour war in the Caucases ,but they wish that Azerbaijan would follow a peacefull settlement of the Nk conflict. It seems -like  many Armenians know quite well-that is the only language-unfortunately- that some in   Turkey understand,i.e., the power  of  force or show   of same.
However, you never know,they may yet think otherwise.After all , a few  leftist  orDr. Akcam -Hasan-like  people ” no pintan nada” means  they don´t paint nothing(important,I´d add).It is the great Turkish  government that  decides what is to be done.Hopefully though,some knowledgeable  persons in their government begin to realize  that the present world overall situation does not approve such tendencies, some probably  may pursuade the other tough- stance ones to also act accordingly. No state-nation desires  further military actions in that zone-this was also hinted  at in the broadcast-especially in a region oil rich and profitable- to those surrounding  it.There is much to be said in this respect,but all depends again on the KNOWLEDGEABLE  people  in governments of the world, who should try harder to pursuade the militarists to calm down and follow  their stance.
Hama Haigagani SIRO,
gaytzag  palandjian
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

]]> By: gaytzag Palandjianhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/18/editorial-historic-indeed-cemal-pashas-grandson-in-watertown/comment-page-1/#comment-5372 gaytzag Palandjian Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:06:23 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4687#comment-5372 I take it few here onlne  follow  the daily news emanating from RA or other Int´l sources-rather few this one though..-Latest  has it ,as Harut Sassounian today explained,the Turkish side is not responding...they have according to him, intentionally put off their Parliamnet´s ratification of the protocols.Again ,as he mentioned ,according to the  the wordingin protocls,they would do so  "In a timely" fashion.And  the "latest",today  has it that Mr. Aliev  has reiterated  his "demand",that of withdrawal of Armenian troops ?  from NK Artsakh.Fact  is with support from great Turkey (Mr.Erdogan´s assurance to them ,on his lst visit  recently) that they would not do so unless NK Artsakh goes back  under  Azerbaijan  rule... I do trust Mr. Akcam and/or Mr. Hasan Jemal follow the actual role played on bilateral give and take  scenario by Azeri president, on behalf of republic  of Turkey.That  is ,instead  of intervening to calm down Mr. Aliev´s belicose rhetoric(which he did mention again today) which clearly stated that only other solution to "conflict"  is through force.... Let  us hope that above two gentleman will pursuade  both R.of Turkey and Azerbaijan to be more compromising.... Hama Haigagani SIRO, gaytzag Palandjian I take it few here onlne  follow  the daily news emanating from RA or other Int´l sources-rather few this one though..-Latest  has it ,as Harut Sassounian today explained,the Turkish side is not responding…they have according to him, intentionally put off their Parliamnet´s ratification of the protocols.Again ,as he mentioned ,according to the  the wordingin protocls,they would do so  “In a timely” fashion.And  the “latest”,today  has it that Mr. Aliev  has reiterated  his “demand”,that of withdrawal of Armenian troops ?  from NK Artsakh.Fact  is with support from great Turkey (Mr.Erdogan´s assurance to them ,on his lst visit  recently) that they would not do so unless NK Artsakh goes back  under  Azerbaijan  rule…
I do trust Mr. Akcam and/or Mr. Hasan Jemal follow the actual role played on bilateral give and take  scenario by Azeri president, on behalf of republic  of Turkey.That  is ,instead  of intervening to calm down Mr. Aliev´s belicose rhetoric(which he did mention again today) which clearly stated that only other solution to “conflict”  is through force….
Let  us hope that above two gentleman will pursuade  both R.of Turkey and Azerbaijan to be more compromising….
Hama Haigagani SIRO,
gaytzag Palandjian

]]> By: Stepanhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/18/editorial-historic-indeed-cemal-pashas-grandson-in-watertown/comment-page-1/#comment-5363 Stepan Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:43:37 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4687#comment-5363   I am a bit disappointed in the tone of your editorial. I attended the first  lecture at Harvard the previous evening.I walked away away with a feeling that it was a sincere effort. Did I agree with everything he said? No,but that was not my expectation. If we are ever going to make progress in pursuit of our cause, it is in our interest to have an understanding of the thinking in Turkey and to have an opportunity at dialogue. That's exactly what I experienced. As Armenians, we all have opinions of Turks( mostly negative); yet ridiculously few of us, except for diplomats, scholars and a few musicians, have had any real contact with Turks for generations. We need to move on from the old stereotypes and anger that has been the hallmark of our public perception. Turkish is slowly changing and we have to whether we want to encourage that change and be the benficiary.... or whether we want to be stuck in hatred. The latter is inconsistent with our faith and does not serve our cause. I can listen to Cemal and the Turks that spoke(many of whom were young and enlightened) and still a passion for cause. Hrant Dink is rightfully revered to. in our community as a visionary. Let's honor his memory by considering the opportunities.   I am a bit disappointed in the tone of your editorial. I attended the first  lecture at Harvard the previous evening.I walked away away with a feeling that it was a sincere effort. Did I agree with
everything he said? No,but that was not my expectation. If we are ever going to make progress
in pursuit of our cause, it is in our interest to have an understanding of the thinking in Turkey and to have an opportunity at dialogue. That’s exactly what I experienced. As Armenians, we all have
opinions of Turks( mostly negative); yet ridiculously few of us, except for diplomats, scholars and a few musicians, have had any real contact with Turks for generations. We need to move on from the old stereotypes and anger that has been the hallmark of our public perception. Turkish is slowly changing and we have to whether we want to encourage that change and be the benficiary…. or whether we want to be stuck in hatred. The latter is inconsistent with our faith and does not serve our cause. I can listen to Cemal and the Turks that spoke(many of whom were young and enlightened)
and still a passion for cause. Hrant Dink is rightfully revered to. in our community as a visionary. Let’s honor his memory by considering the opportunities.

]]> By: jdahttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/18/editorial-historic-indeed-cemal-pashas-grandson-in-watertown/comment-page-1/#comment-5354 jda Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:18:48 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4687#comment-5354 If you want Turkish people - your audience, in effect - to understand real history kept from them, yes, you must respect the audience. That means listening to their fears and family stories, just as you expect them to listen to yours.Whether those stories are real or imagined, linked to Armenians in any way or not, you cannot expect them to listen to you if yo won't listen to them. If you want Turkish people – your audience, in effect – to understand real history kept from them, yes, you must respect the audience. That means listening to their fears and family stories, just as you expect them to listen to yours.

Whether those stories are real or imagined, linked to Armenians in any way or not, you cannot expect them to listen to you if yo won’t listen to them.

]]> By: gaytzag Palandjianhttp://www.armenianweekly.com/2009/11/18/editorial-historic-indeed-cemal-pashas-grandson-in-watertown/comment-page-1/#comment-5348 gaytzag Palandjian Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:05:33 +0000 http://www.armenianweekly.com/?p=4687#comment-5348 Sevag! I appreciate and sympathize with your to the point comments,rather trying to educate a wolf´s offspring.These  people  like I wrote above,no  not  the last one to Asbet,prior to that one.... The turkish government  far from educating their public-people, they are setting up CHAIRS in their universities  to learn  not  our language  ONLY, but be able to penetrate amonst  us-which they hve already been doing ,after the 50th  ANNIVERSARY  OF  GENOCIDE  perpetrated  on us.They   have sent their operatives, proior  to  this new wave  of Cemal grandson  -like,some half siding with us -for that  is their method,thus trying to caress  our "Paremids"  not to say "Barzamid"s  and by and by admit...YES, THEY WILL EVENTUALLY in their wily fashion,like  I pointed  out, in my previous post and even thrown in some "turkish delights",like mentioend  <Mount Ararat etc.THAT  IS  THEIR STYLE. Please do not take this as contrary to what you write,on the contrary it is to compliment yours!!! The only thing that  is different ,if  you have noticed from last part  of my post  up above,is my "suggestions"  to brace  ourselves,in other words  re-organize  our STRUCTURE to be able to confront  their -from  now  on-indirect such advances,shall I call to trap  some of our  well wishing compatriots,that all will be  ironed  out between our people and theirs.An impossibility like  you write.May take more than a dozen  years,even 50... I ,personally prefer to think towards  MOBILIZATION  of our Diaspora.Not the way some picture haphazardly or just by rhetoric.Action is required  ,mechanism  is a must,for we did try in our time 30 years ago  just  trumpeting.That  ain´t  no good.Step by step organization should be the motto. In this resepct,whether  you him she like  it  or not the only way out  is to get our "Professionals Coleagues Associations" on way.Man many thanks  and gratitude to our so far acting political  parties ALONE...may they go  on with their objectives.bUT  THEY VERY BADLY NEED  SUPPORT,that cannot be obtained haphazardly.My humble input  is there for the taking.Otherwise  the present  unenviable fragmented  diaspora(s) will indeed carry on to the best  of their abilities, however with very little  if any real success. Hama-Haigagagni SIRO, gaytzag  palandjian Sevag!
I appreciate and sympathize with your to the point comments,rather trying to educate a wolf´s
offspring.These  people  like I wrote above,no  not  the last one to Asbet,prior to that one….
The turkish government  far from educating their public-people, they are setting up CHAIRS in their universities  to learn  not  our language  ONLY, but be able to penetrate amonst  us-which they hve already been doing ,after the 50th  ANNIVERSARY  OF  GENOCIDE  perpetrated  on us.They   have sent their operatives, proior  to  this new wave  of Cemal grandson  -like,some half siding with us -for that  is their method,thus trying to caress  our “Paremids”  not to say “Barzamid”s  and by and by admit…YES, THEY WILL EVENTUALLY in their wily fashion,like  I pointed  out, in my previous post and even thrown in some “turkish delights”,like mentioend  <Mount Ararat etc.THAT  IS  THEIR STYLE.
Please do not take this as contrary to what you write,on the contrary it is to compliment yours!!!
The only thing that  is different ,if  you have noticed from last part  of my post  up above,is my “suggestions”  to brace  ourselves,in other words  re-organize  our STRUCTURE to be able to confront  their -from  now  on-indirect such advances,shall I call to trap  some of our  well wishing compatriots,that all will be  ironed  out between our people and theirs.An impossibility like  you write.May take more than a dozen  years,even 50…
I ,personally prefer to think towards  MOBILIZATION  of our Diaspora.Not the way some picture haphazardly or just by rhetoric.Action is required  ,mechanism  is a must,for we did try in our time 30 years ago  just  trumpeting.That  ain´t  no good.Step by step organization should be the motto.
In this resepct,whether  you him she like  it  or not the only way out  is to get our “Professionals Coleagues Associations” on way.Man many thanks  and gratitude to our so far acting political  parties ALONE…may they go  on with their objectives.bUT  THEY VERY BADLY NEED  SUPPORT,that cannot be obtained haphazardly.My humble input  is there for the taking.Otherwise  the present  unenviable fragmented  diaspora(s) will indeed carry on to the best  of their abilities, however with very little  if any real success.
Hama-Haigagagni SIRO,
gaytzag  palandjian

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