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Maybe one of the best articles that I have ever read. Tremendous political and historical insight. Somehow we must become power possesing instead of power dispossing.
wow…that article was so good i had to stop everything and read the whole thing including the footnotes. thanks!
Awesome article.
My thanks to the informed authors.
here are two ladies who obviously are well versed in their subject, namely the Turkish psychie. I bow down with respect for the tremendous amount of thought and effort they have put into producing such an interesting and thought provoking article.
Thank you ladies.
We should ask ourselves why this government caters to a terrorist organization called “Ergenekon” [aka Mukahadeen aka Taliban aka Al Qeuada]?
This president is supposed to be the leader of the free world; however, he can’t bring himself to say the word “Genocide” on the HOLIEST EASTER SUNDAYS IN ARMENIAN HISTORY.
There have been thousands of Americans of Armenian Heritage who sacrificed their lives and blood for this country in WWI, WWII and the Korean conflict and earned numerous distinctions. Yet he cannot utter the simplest words to honor their memories and their devoted martyrdom.
This president is indeed a coward and this government continues to coddle terrorist organizations in order to enrich their bottom lines. It violates the constitution and I believe it should be grounds for inquiry.
Great article and insight – thanks – will share widely! As for Obama and Genocide recognition, it can be summed up in one word: AIPAC… when the gordian knot of Palestine/Israel is resolved, the US will recognize The Armenian Genocide. (Yes, i AM Armenian – the “bad” kind as described above!)
I want to thank the authors for this excellent article. If it is not, I think it must be translated into Armenian as many Armenians just won’t be able to get the depth. I am ready to try to draft Armenian (Eastern) translation and submit to others for improvements.
Contrary to those above ,who have hurriedly approved all that is written in the impeccably correct English-not so mine-there are ERRORS to be recrtified.And mind you I have no time to scrutinize paragraph by paragraph all above. No.
25.Speaks of similitudes as regards Dolma8as example,but greeks and even Balkan,further aaway in spain they have same with less species in it) and their folk music similar to ours or any oriental one for that matter.The authors conveniently overlook THE CLASSIC ARMENIAN MUSIC(komitas) OR DANIEL VAROUJAN, SIAMANTO, MEDZARENTS LIKE WRITERS PAPAZIAN LIKE ACTORS ETC., to which there is NO SIMILARITY AT ALL WITH THE SELJUK TURKISH (I don´t even deign to say culture)music or litterature.True lately only lately they have come up with very rare casses such as Orhan Pamuk…
One more important correction in Galipoli ,actually it was the Ottoam or Ataturk army that won over the British(mainly aussies though) and latter suffered immense losses, for which they mourn and hold anniversaries from England to Australia…
I write what is true.Then again, the Istanbulla Armenians who have under harsh ottoman , or republican turkish rule become NOBODIES…in order to save their skin,unfortunately have passed on this trait to others in the Western Free democracies,which again can be attributed to mainly THOSE WHO HAVE LEFT RELATIVES BEHIND. In this the writers have ascertained how even tthe recently come Armenians from Armenia have undergone same trend .that is to save their skin and abide with present turkishness…
In all, I reject accepting this article as beneficiary for Armenians living in Free states.
it is good for those still trying to somehow make up with their obedient stance and even interject that into some of the Armenian fabric.Last word is indicative of thiose who even a few days ago were rejpoicing that the church in Diarbakir ihas been allowed to be repairted(after Akhtamar,which did not probably render much $$$ from few tourists,whereas they were expecting ten fold so. Now this churtch,contrary to Akhtamar will not be repaired at the expense of the Turkish Govt. but some above mentioned like Armenians who are the Istanbulla type(bred under that regime,living in Europe and America) that have in fact undertaken to pay for the repairs..
These Armenians are not politically educated and do not ,will not grasp the fact that Diarbakir(Tigranakert) is the future capital of Autonomous Kurdistan or independent one.this is what the kurds are decided upon,whether in coop with present Govt. of Turkey or independently thinking Kurds..
Alas, I don´t have time to delve further into above article and pick more such flaws in it…
best to my compatriots,who do not wish to take turks again as friends…
We can be neighbours ,but like <pakistan/India.Follow what ´m saying…
This is a fantastic article that needs to be fleshed out and published as a book. The title “One Hundred Years of Abandonment” is perfect. Some concepts discussed that are less understood outside academia need to be explained, for the general public, perhaps in the footnotes. This is a real gem.
To Hamazasp: A Western Armenian translation of this excellent article is already ready for publication.
Probably one of the best in-depth analysis I read on this topic. The psychological walls are still jailing the mind of these “left behind” in dereliction.
Please bear in mind that the examples about similarities (food, music, etc.) come from the Turkish authors that speak about Armenian/Turkish “brotherhood,” not from the authors of the article.
The one who speaks about Turkish losses in Gallipoli is Turkish FM Davutoglu, among others, not the authors.
Therefore, if you are going to pick up flaws, you may address them to the people the authors are criticizing.
This article is actually beneficial to anyone living anywhere in the world since: 1) it comes from insiders (they’re not in the skin of Istanbul Armenians, they are Istanbul Armenians, 2) it makes a critique of both Istanbul Armenians and Turkish intelligentsia left (particularly the one we sometimes open our mouth as example of “change”) and right, 3) it gives food for thought about the hundred years we have spent under the weight of the catastrophe, even if we have taken notice.
Yours is a wrong Assumption Arsen, The authors SHOULD have composed their- otherwise very good writ-critique direct to the FM,Davoutoglu and others,indeed for the general public to read.Thus conveying their refusal to them. Whereas in the manner that above is exposed,at best it leaves it open to critique such as mine that all our efforts ought to be ,rather should be to make the public aware of what the other party-namely great Turkey diplomacy- is working at. To Misinform mythinorm as one compatriot put ir and above all to show how the oppressed Istanbul Armenians are ¨¨supposed¨ to react to harsh ¨turkishness¨.Be their obedient servantg and say write what they dictate.And to add that it was exactly for what I am hereby declaring that Hrant Dink was martyrd by them the present great Turkey, inheritor of the Ottoman Empire.
Errata!, My above post should read:- addressed to Vartan Martirossian
ADDENDUM, iF YOU READ VERY CAREFULLY THE ABOVE ARTICLE YOU WILL NOTE THAT THAT AUTHORS,do hint at how some of our diaspora(Istanbul Armenian minded,nay bred-educated,under present rule) act, similar to those IN ISTANBULL.it can well be surmised that long years of oppression -plus friedns/relatives still there-definitely UNDER FEAR. They also ask why the Mainstream Diaspora-assume,living in Free Democfracies-have not ARTICULATED OR are articulating ,ONE WOULD SUPPOSE,ouright DEMAND. Well……this is being done both in FRANCE,right now, after the French higher cahmber, the senate, has voted against criminalization of Denying the Genocide against Armenians. Likewise in L.A. there were huge crowds protesting to President Obama, for his refusal to Acknowledge the CRIME by its real name. It seems ,book and essay writing is becoming more of the past, since DAILY TOP NEWS, AS IT IS DUBBED occurs quite fast and only way to keep abreast of it is this medium the INTERNET,ALSO T.V./radio, RATHER THAN THE pRESS
To Mr. Palandjian: This article is the work of two Ph.D. candidates in political science decided to write an analytical essay on Turkish-Armenian politics and policies, and give us some insights into the lessons of yesterday and today. They wrote it for a special magazine that allowed them to write an article of lasting value, instead of an op-ed piece to be forgotten the next day. If what they wrote is not for the “general public,” it’s the latter’s loss. Our general public should start to become a little more sophisticated and abandon its fondness for anachronistic sentimental chit-chat to replace it with seasoned critiques like this, which may open the eyes of many people about what is the real background of the “we share your pain,” “we are brothers” rhetoric.
If you don’t like the way they wrote it, it’s your choice. You may prefer to write an open letter to Davutoglu. Fine. But nobody may tell the authors what they SHOULD have written.
Dear VM,
I don’t have your email, so I’m using this comment area to ask you my question: Is there any plan of publishing the Western Armenian?
I rather you reply to me privately to giromanoyan@gmail.com
Thanks.
Vartan, well said, you speak for so many… Thanks to our authors, Aydin and Talin.
I understood, in the last three (3) lines this article (written for Turks to read) mentions the authors Ayda and Talin’s article… evidently usingTurkish language for Turks… incapable of written in English – but yet capable ‘mailing’ via the English language! (Must be ONLY for Turkeys – but why not in their own Turkish media?? – OH! Actually, Turkeys must be reading, pursuing Armenian medias…
GREAT, now the Turks will learn of their Ottoman and all their subsequent leaderships complicity in elimination of the Christian Armenian peoples to accommodate Turks need for a ready-made ancient and a truly advanced nation for these hordes from Asia to ‘steal’- to use as their own – calling it a Turkey. These readers shall learn the truths, will learn that world history has recorded the Turkey’s crimes/inhumanity to eliminate the existence of the Armenian peoples from their lands of nearly 4,000 years!! (NOT as the Turks interpret their own history – denying slaughtering, raping, kidnappings, tortures Turkish style to pursue their goals – the Turkish Genocide of the Christian Armenians. Now, via our Armenian media, Turks shall learn what the civilized nations of the world know of the Genocides perpetrated by the Turks against the Armenians, the Greeks, the Pontians, the Assyrians – and more. Since Turks can not learn the truths via their own mis-directed education of their youth… Turks shall learn from medias outside Turkey. Now via USA.
Very cogent ideas and arguments. I can only urge a more direct and less cluttered rhetoric, as the potency of these arguments are diluted by a “proliferation of torturous Latinate polysyllabic obfuscations.” Unless it’s a thesis, in which case the reader expects such baroque expository.
Very powerful thinking,