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‘Sorry, Armenia!’: Thousands of Hungarians Apologize, Condemn Government for Safarov Extradition

Hungarian Activists to hold demonstrations this week

“This mistake has to be rectified by us, Hungarians!” wrote one. “Today, I am ashamed of being a Hungarian,” wrote another. “I apologize to all Armenians, and particularly to the family of Gurgen Margaryan,” said a third.

Apology Hungary ‘Sorry, Armenia!’: Thousands of Hungarians Apologize, Condemn Government for Safarov Extradition

Politicians, religious leaders, and activists in Hungary issued statements apologizing to Armenians and criticizing the extradition.

They echoed the sentiments of tens of thousands of Hungarians outraged by their government’s decision to extradite Margaryan’s murderer, Ramil Safarov, to his home country Azerbaijan, where he received a hero’s welcome, was pardoned, and promoted.

In 2004, Safarov murdered Margaryan, an Armenian lieutenant, in Hungary with an axe, while the latter was asleep. He was sentenced to life in prison.

Politicians, religious leaders, and activists in Hungary commented on the extradition, apologizing to Armenians and criticizing the extradition.

The president of the Hungarian Catholic Bishops’ Conference, Card. Péter Erdő, issued a statement expressing “full solidarity with the Armenian Christians and with the Armenian people that has so much suffered in the past.”

“We ask the Almighty that through the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary He might lead and protect the whole Armenian people and bless them with the gift of justice and peace,” read the statement.

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Wreaths were placed in memory of Margaryan at Deák square in Budapest.

Various newspapers and blogs published articles denouncing the Hungarian government.

Demonstrations are planned for early this week in front of the Ministry of Justice and the Parliament of Hungary to express outrage at the decision to extradite Safarov.

Thousands of Hungarians joined Facebook groups apologizing for their government’s action. One such group, called “Sorry, Armenia,” had close to 8,000 “Likes” as of Sept. 2.

Another Facebook group, “Hungarians are sorry, Armenia,” had 2,000 “Likes.”

Wreaths were placed in memory of Margaryan at Deák square in Budapest (see photo).

Fifteen Hungarians lined up on a street each holding a letter of the phrase “Sorry, Armenia!” (see photo).

‘Unacceptable, amoral act’

Benedek Zsigmond, a Hungarian Armenologist, made moving statements in Yerevan, in fluent Armenian, apologizing for the “unacceptable, amoral act.” He added, “That which the Hungarian government has done flies in the face of all moral and panhuman values.”

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Fifteen Hungarians lined up on a street each holding a letter of the phrase ‘Sorry, Armenia!’

“Many Hungarians are apologizing for the government’s action. They do it both in Hungarian and in English. Moreover, some people say, ‘I feel shame that I am Hungarian,’” Zsigmond told the Armenian Weekly in an interview.

Hungarians we interviewed not only expressed shame and outrage, but insisted they would continue petitioning, protesting, and demonstrating until their government did all it could to rectify the situation, and until those involved in the extradition were held accountable.

Ildiko Fülep, a Hungarian living in Vienna, told the Weekly, “As someone who knows Armenia’s culture and history, I’m deeply shocked by my government’s decision. I feel like my government put a knife in the back of Armenians, and it also cheated its own nation.”

‘Please, do not burn our flag’

Some Hungarians pleaded with Armenians to refrain from burning the Hungarian flag during demonstrations against the Hungarian government. “The Hungarian flag is not a symbol of the government, but the Hungarian people!” said one.

Another Hungarian blogger we interviewed noted, “Remember, that is also the flag of the tens of thousands of Hungarians who are against the actions of the government, and will demonstrate and protest against it.”

“Burn the photo of [Hungarian Prime Minister] Viktor Orbán instead,” she added.

The Hungarian flag was burned during a demonstration in Yerevan on Sept. 1.

A follow-up to this story will be published later this week. Please send your letters, comments, and relevant links to the author at editor@armenianweekly.com or contact him on Twitter by clicking here.

198 Comments to ‘Sorry, Armenia!’: Thousands of Hungarians Apologize, Condemn Government for Safarov Extradition

    • Botond,thanks for this site. This shows the true face of the Azeri liars & what type of a government it is.

  1. avatar Darwin Jamgochian // September 3, 2012 at 8:54 am // Reply

    Governments come and go because they have failed their people. To the people of Hungary and Armenia I should say that your situation is not unique. As a native born American, the last couple of years here have been quite disturbing. We now have leaders here that want to change our way of life and I for one feel that our liberties and voice are being suffocated too. I think a lot of the posters here are from America and they are expressing their personal feelings. Unfortunately, some of the same arguments about the disattachment of the government from the people are also true in America. I just want to see any government reflect the will of the people. Recently, someone bold enough stood up in front of the nation and said the government is supposed to be working for the people and he got ridiculed!

    There’s an old idiom that seems appropriate once again.
    “You’re getting too big for your britches”.

  2. Dear Rashid,

    Believe whatever you want if it makes you feel better but we feel ashamed of the actions of our courts and government right now for this injustice against Armenia and we stand with Armenians and not the Azeris who look like savages in our eyes.

  3. The Hungarian Government must declare this dishonourable deal null and void. This barbaric act was committed on Hungarian soil and international judicial agreements are bound by ethical principals. An oil-rich despot
    not only made a fool of the Hungarian justice but directly insulted the conscience and reputation of a civilized nation.

  4. For me, the apology of the Hungarian people does help to ease the pain, but it does not fill the stomach, it is the government of the Hungary who did the wrong and must do the appropriate thing that needs to be done to clean up for their mess, after all it was NATO exercise what about their leadership, are they not guilty at all?

  5. Let me guess, the Hungarian government still wants its 3 billion euro?

    Bunch of whores.

  6. avatar Darwin Jamgochian // September 3, 2012 at 5:16 pm // Reply

    What does Safarov’s release mean for NATO?
    What does Safarov’s release mean for The European Union?

    In my opinion, the Government of Hungary has forfeited its right to belong to either. That is of course if NATO and the European Union are really committed to human rights and freedom.

    If Hungary doesn’t get booted from both, The United States should stop funding these organizations. The ball is in Europe’s court.

    So President Obama, your “disappointment” just doesn’t quite make it.

  7. John, Gayane, Gaytzag, Boyajian, and others: I have been working on a small book in which I hope to shed what light I can on the subjects you are interested in. Probably it will be in form of an e-book with a print-on-demand option. And not expensive. Maybe next spring. In the meantime, I share your indignation at what has happened and what it tells us about the continuing historical threat to Armenians. God knows there is plenty of blame to go around, but this last bit was shameful, cynical and a violation of normal international legal procedure.

  8. avatar Angry Armenian // September 3, 2012 at 8:51 pm // Reply

    <<Safarov’s extradition complies with the respective rules of international law and he had been pardoned pursuant to local laws of Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan has the sovereign right to pardon its citizen.<<

    By praising Ramil Safarov you, the Azerbaijani nation, officially grant any Armenian the moral license to kill Azeris.

    As for Hungary: to hell with it.

    • Ayo AA jan that is exactly what Azeribajian just did with their actions…

    • Correction,

      There are also Azeri people living in Iran, they are not part of Tatar-Turks tribes, please when you are calling Azerbaijan you are including real Azeri people of Iran as well. They have excellent neighborly relationship with Armenia!!You are welcome to call a correct name, for a fake Azerbaijani republic, such as Azer baboons or Tatar-Turks republic!! We should never insult our Persian friends!!

    • avatar Random Armenian // September 4, 2012 at 12:51 pm //

      “By praising Ramil Safarov you, the Azerbaijani nation, officially grant any Armenian the moral license to kill Azeris.”

      What a load of crap. This is unacceptable no matter how angry you are.

  9. avatar Angry Armenian // September 3, 2012 at 8:53 pm // Reply

    This shows the whole world that there is no way Armenians can ever live under Azerbaijani rule.

    The whole world must now recognize Artsakh as part of Armenia!!

    • That is for sure…

      This is the golden ticket to get Artsagh under Armenia WITHOUT ANY FURTHER NEGOTIATIONS.. THE END…

  10. Thank you Mr. Evans, you bear in you the image of our Creator, you are reflecting that every time when you are defending the justice , unfortunately these days not much high ranking personality have the courage of doing the same , I will get your book when it gets published, and I wish to meet you one day, may God bless you.

  11. avatar Darwin Jamgochian // September 3, 2012 at 9:55 pm // Reply

    I believe the return of Safarov has given Aliyev his hero to go forth since his impatient generals want to use their new toys against Armenia.

    The question now is will the CSTO charter signed by the Presidents of Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia and Tajikistan on 7 Oct, 2002 hold any water?

    The CSTO charter reaffirmed the desire of all participating states to abstain from the use or threat of force. Signatories would not be able to join other military alliances or other groups of states, while aggression against one signatory would be perceived as an aggression against all.

    I have not heard of Russia commenting on the agreement lately.

    • avatar Random Armenian // September 4, 2012 at 12:49 pm //

      Assume that CSTO will not help Armenia in case of war. Correct me if I’m wrong but, if the the war is in Artsakh, which is not recognized by any country at the moment, CSTO would not have to do anything. If Azerbaijan attacks Armenia, still assume that the CSTO countries will not want to join in on the fight. Is the bond between the CSTO countries that strong that they would send their soldiers to die in a war they have no direct part in?

    • avatar Darwin Jamgochian // September 4, 2012 at 1:42 pm //

      Somebody mentioned that Artsahk isn’t officialy a country. Thereby CSTO agreements don’t cover it. The reader should know that Azeri forces have been firing into Armenia proper for the last several years too!

      Should the situation get any more critical, Sarkisyan had better check his back to see who will follow him before deciding if Artsakh will become Armenia’s 11th province.

    • Darwin,
      We should make Armenia as strong as possible, we don’t trust CSTO, and even NATO, we have enough intelligent and weaponry and strenght to fight not only against Azerbaboons, but against invading Turks as well.. we did that in Sardarabad, and NKR war, with a very limited weaponry and man power in a very harsh circumstances and condition!!Our unity is our strenght. Each patriotic Diaspora Armenian is a potential warrior against our enemies!! Armenia’s army should open the door for Diaspora Armenians just like Israel, so we can participate with military drills and exercises and maneuvers, we can easily make one million professional and effective soldiers in a very short time. Remember we were the back bone of Soviet military in 2-nd world war against Nazi Germany!!

    • avatar Darwin Jamgochian // September 6, 2012 at 9:38 am //

      I would not talk about Russia lightly. All week long maneuvers have been going on with Russian troops in Armenia.along with the other treaty members. Russia will not let the Caucasus fall from its grasp. The United States and its partners tried to get involved and now you can see what that’s gotten us into!

  12. I think the real enemy is still Azerbaijan and Armenia must not sacrifice it’s deplomacy with Hungry, another Christian nation over their politician’s deviant behavior.
    If we go wrong with hungry it will be a win for Turkey and Azerbaijan. Believe me. It seems that Hungarian Priminister’s days in the office is numbered.

    Turks and Azeris will try their luck in creating a gap between as many nations and Armenia as possible. One way is by claiming brotherhood with Hungarians which is pure non-sense. Hungarians may be decende from Huns but Huns were totally different from the original turkic invadors to Anatolia. And their glory time was earliest 500 years before. Today’s Hungarians are mostly Europeans and some of their cultural practices and Magyar lanuage is Hun.

    Today’s Hungry has more in common with Armenia in terms of faith. Also, like Armenians they had their own struggles.

  13. On the other hand, Hungry must change it’s leaders and bring people to govern who are not currupt. The wound can hell, but only if Armenia sees Hungarian government taking significant measures to reverse the adverse affect of Ramil’s extradition to prevent dimplomatically chronic outcomes.

    This is one example of international crisis which tests the world as a whole. We know now, then what?

    Neither Armenia, Hungarians, and the international community can afford letting this go unsettled. Hungarians, with their economic hardship must not let their government continue making wroing decisions which affect them so negatively.Because, seemingly the economic hardship is related to ramil’s exterdition, which makes the government at fault for more than just what took place few days ago.

    People of both countries must strive to become even closer, rather further. We must not fool ourselves and make Azerbaijan and Turkey reach their goals of seeing another two Christian nations split.

  14. avatar Mike Mirakian // September 4, 2012 at 5:07 pm // Reply

    Perhaps it’s time we refuse to continue attending negotiation sessions sponsored by the Minsk group. It’s obvious the Azeris are ammoral and have no regard whatsoever for the “rule of law”. So why bother discussing anything further? Artsak is ours and always has been. The people there have a right to self determination and they have expressed it clearly. Tell the Azeris to go to hell, we have nothing further to discuss and while you’re at it, tell the Turks the same and rip up the protocols. It’s obvious the Turks never meant to take them seriously anyway.

    As for the Hungarian Gov’t — are these the same people who gave us the “Hungarian Freedom Fighters” I and many Armenians admired in the 50′s for standing up to the Soviets? Shame on you! I’d rather starve than compromise my integrity for ANY amount of Azeri petro dollars.

  15. We are fortunate indeed in having our loyal, trustworthy, Ambassador John Evans still always behind us, still always courageous enough to stand up and speak the truth.

  16. I’m obliged to say that I love the Hungarianns… my dentist is an Hungarian…

  17. <<I think the real enemy is still Azerbaijan and Armenia must not sacrifice it’s deplomacy with Hungry, another Christian nation over their politician’s deviant behavior.<<

    You sound as if we have a choice, we don't. Hungary forced us.

    As for Christian? I am not a Christian but indeed Armenian.

    Defensiveness is a very Christian attitude indeed.

    According to a famous Armenian writer Christianity was the worst thing that ever happened to Armenia – I agree:

    "Oh! Fathers! Oh! Forefathers! If, in the place of these monasteries which abound in our country you had built fortresses; in the place of these holy crosses and vases which exhausted your wealth you had bought weapons; instead of burning fragrant incense in our churches you had burned gunpowder; our country would be fortunate now." – Hakob Melik Hakobian (Raffi)

    And I believe it is Christianity that makes the Armenian government to scared to recognize Artsakh as part of Armenia whereas Azerbaijan would have done so in an instant if the roles were reversed. Because they are Muslims.

    And please, stop calling Europeans Christians. They are not. The only ones who regard Europe as "Christian" are the Muslim fundamentalists busy conquering it.

    Anyway, if I were the president of Armenia I would officially proclaim Artsakh as part of Armenia right away. Because unlike Serj Sarkisyan I'm not a Christian.

    Our nation is fighting a heroic battle for survival. At the point being with its hands shackled.

    • Vrej,

      I do not quite agree that Christianity was the worst thing that happened to us. True,
      we suffered a lot for being Christian, but if we did not adopt Christianity Persians would have assimilated us log time ago.
      Even in today’s world, look at our assimilation rates in Christian countries and in Muslim countries.

    • Vrej,

      I disagree. Not because I consider myself a follower of Jesus Christ, but objectively. Respect the choice of our forefathers who welcomed Jesus Christ to the world and have become the first nation to accept Christianity as official religion. Christianity thus has become an integral part of being an Armenian. The other part of us is Paganism that existed before 301AD. Were Pagan Armenians more belligerent than Christian Armenians? I don’t think so. Don’t refer to Tigran the Great, please, since it was a unique case in all of the history of the Armenians.

      Raffi didn’t mean that Christianity was the “worst thing that ever happened to Armenia”. He just wished that if Armenians (not specifically Christians) were more warlike and less sedentary and culturally advanced, they could perhaps better defend their nation. But then how anyone, including Raffi, knows how a national posture and character are being formed? Besides, Christian Armenians were not the only nation who couldn’t blunt the massive attacks of various invaders –Arabs, Seljuk Turks, the Mongols, etc. Some of these nomadic warriors were able to conquer vast territories from Central Asia to the gates of Vienna. What do you expect of Armenians? To halt their advances at the cost of inevitable death? Also, there were many other famous Armenian writers who accepted Christianity as blessing for Armenians, Narekatsi being the most prominent of them.

      It is not Christianity that makes the Armenian government to wait with the recognition of Artsakh’s independence, but pure politico-military considerations. Don’t be silly.

      Defensiveness is not a Christian attitude. Love for thy neighbor is. But there is also a warning: “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and tear you.” — Matthew 7:6. The meaning of this Christ’s teaching being: do not offer your doctrine to those violent and abusive people who would growl and curse you; nor to those especially debased and profligate who would not perceive its value, would trample it down, and would abuse you. We should remember this.

  18. Dear Vrej
    I am not a perfect Christ follower, but I always do my best, and there is no force can make me to be a fallower of Mohammad, and I can’t force you either.
    For me Artsakh is united with motherland from the time it was liberated from the Azeri control or occupation , there is no way, and not even a choice to think about going back to be occupied again by Azeri, it is impossible.
    I look at Artsakh without any doubt in my mind as a part of the Armenia , and I do my best to be helpful to the people living in there to become prosperous and safe. So help me God.

  19. I am more then happy that out Hungarian friends have said it is a mistake. And I do think they did not intend harm in the first place!!!!!

    All the best!

  20. Even Nazis never brayed in the media to demand Jewish blood. They kept murder on the down low. But the fascists among the Azeris and their government do, and they do so with gusto:

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/09/201293953565974.html

    They – meaning those who state such things at the state level – will try to kill every single Armenian. After they rape and torture the women. Our brothers and sisters are fighting for a lot more than land.

    The pics we see of Safarov are of when he was trim and young. Today he looks like a fat, haggard, middle aged used Trabant salesman. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    He would last less than a day in the mountains even if there was no shooting. Let him come visit the western slopes with his new entourage. I’m sure we will see him soon with binoculars scanning the frontier, after four months of Jenny Craig and treadmill.

    Somewhere there are silent, repressed and decent Azeris. Those of us with friends from Baku and Sumgait are often told of them, and that some helped shelter Armenians. Let’s remember them too. If they say a word, they go to prison and get tortured.

    I hope one or two can comment here.

    • the woman in brown dress, to Safarov’s left holding hands with another woman is Azerbaijan MP Ganira Pashayeva. A virulent Armenophobe, an AG Denialist, and anti-AG proselytizer.

      Her favourite color: Armenian red.
      Her favourite Facebook hero: Psyaxopath Safarov.
      Her favourite expression: ‘so-called “Armenian genocide” ‘.

    • A little off topic, but speaking of betrayal….

      I was reading a Turkish book called Red Friday (Kirimizi Cuma)- (Hrant Dink was killed on a Friday) by Nedim Sener (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedim_%C5%9Eener).

      The books is about the events surrounding the death of, and what took place after Hrant Dink’s murder. At the end of the book he includes a picture of an elderly Armenian woman holding a picture of Hrant Dink with “1.500.000+1″ written beneath it.

      here’s his commentary on this picture: “So what is she trying to say? That Hrant Dink is the latest victim of the Genocide. And this is how the West views it as well.”

      Later: “I showed this photo at the courthouse in which I was on trial for my book “The Dink Murder and Intelligence Lies.” And this is what I said in court:

      “The woman in this picture is an Armenian citizen, Hrant Dink, while also Armenian, is a Turkish citizen. A woman from a different country is seeking justice for a citizen of OUR country. Aren’t the Turkish courts and government going to shed light on this murder? What I want is for our children to say today and tomorrow that ‘we are honorable people, and we won’t commit genocide (he didn’t say we DIDN’T commit genocide)’. For this to happen, the Hrant Dink murder must be solved. Those who were alive in 1915 are no longer around, but those who live today shouldn’t be weighed down with the blame of genocide in the future. This is what I work for.”

      He continues: “If light is not shed on Hrant Dink’s murder, all of us will face the shame of being the citizen of a country who covered up the murder of a Turkish citizen of Armenian descent. The ECHR has already given Turkey a lesson in law and justice. Turkey was found guilty 3 times by the court in the Hrant Dink murder for ‘not recognizing his freedom of speech’, ‘not taking steps to protect his life when he was alive’, and ‘not providing an adequate investigation that would put those government officials responsible on trial.’ In response to all the knocks of justice on its door, the Republic of Turkey does not answer the call. The murderers have already killed Hrant Dink. But I do not want to allow the feeling of justice inside of me to be murdered by the way the various bodies of Turkish government have treated and viewed the murder of Hrant Dink. I refuse to comply with government officials attempting to cover up the murder of a man who was so wronged when he was alive.”

      So yes, Jda, those who speak up do go to jail. But this man said all this in a Turkish courthouse and is now out of jail. And he continues to write controversial books. And there are many more like him. Look up what Yasar Kemal did to prevent the destruction of the Holy Cross Church on Akdamar Island.

    • avatar Darwin Jamgochian // September 7, 2012 at 2:51 pm //

      There is not ONE Moslem dominated country on this planet that will allow a “non believer” to speak freely.The west doesn’t do anything about it. But now the problem has reached the shores of their own countries and they are at witts end to solve their own problem. Let them eat cake!

    • Its Akhtamar Island, not Akdamar Island. Turks are world champions in Turkifying other peoples’ cultural edifices or geographical toponyms. Disgusting trait of a people who had virtually nothing of their own.

    • RVDV,

      My comment had to do with good or dissenting Azeris going to jail and being tortured.

      I recognize that Turkey is evolving to become a freer society than it was, as well as in comparison to other ME societies apart from Israel. At least in the bigger cities.

      I still think that if I went to my grandparents’ towns to live, I would not get the expat treatment scads of moronic English people receive. In fact, I think I would be murdered by the local police acting through idle and angry youth.

      If I were not Armenian, I would appreciate these advances more. Unfortunately the freer Turkey still has a very large percentage of the population, as you have admitted, that wants all Armenians dead.

    • I agree with JDA… even though there is slower movement..it still does nto excuse majority of Turks who continue to drump up the genocidal thought process and backwards thinking as their govt.. so no i don’t believe Turkey is doing everything to be democratic and there are not enough of evidence that they will get there anytime soon.

  21. The picture with Safarov surrounded by devil’s advocates is a good example of who few of the prepatrators are in the Azerbaijan’s political persutes to harm Armenia.

    This just shows how cultistic is their political machinary.

  22. <<It is not Christianity that makes the Armenian government to wait with the recognition of Artsakh’s independence, but pure politico-military considerations.<<

    I disagree. You are underestimating psychology in politics. Even Russian experts agree that Armenia's foreign policy is a disaster compared to Azerbaijan's. The sole explanation is not oil, I believe.

    <<the woman in brown dress, to Safarov’s left holding hands with another woman is Azerbaijan MP Ganira Pashayeva.<<

    Familiar with her. Amazingly, an Armenian priest or something went to Turkey and debated her on Turkish television. If you can call it a debate. She totally humiliated him infront of the Turkish television host, program participants, audience. In my opinion, he should have been thrown in jail upon his return to Armenia.

    Long. live. ARMENIA

    • Sorry, Vrej, you’re inconsistent. Hard to debate. What does psychology in politics or oil have to do with Christianity? Can you refer us to sources where Russian experts “agree that Armenia’s foreign policy is a disaster compared to Azerbaijan’s”? There are many flaws in Armenian’s foreign policy and its cadres, but I’ve never heard Russians saying such a thing explicitly.

    • A priest is not a good politician.

      I agree that Armenian forign policy lacks the diplomatic punch needed to raise Armenian out of it’s problems with Azerbaijan.

      But, a priest is not a good politition or debator. Pashayeva thinks, breaths, eats, and dreams about destroying Armenia. Of course she is trained hater and has all the words to spute at any Armenia who comes along.

      However, that said: Freeing Ramil should bring humiliation to her rather than we think it is victory for Azerbaijan.
      As we see in Hungaria: The citizens of that country have waken up and change maybe in the horizon.

      I think visit by the priest is just one of the many useless political meetings Armenia and Turkey carry out which never yields solutions.

      Long live Armenia

    • Verj,

      I feel that you want to put all the blame on Christianity. Armenian nation as a whole fully embraced Christianity, which became the central part of our culture. Never underestimate what our church has done to preserve our national identity and culture throughout our history. I am very happy that we adopted Christianity and remained Christians throughout those years.
      The reason why our foreign policy is soft because we live in a very hostile environment and do not have very good diplomats-has nothing to do with Christianity.

  23. avatar JakobSzilvasi // September 8, 2012 at 3:25 am // Reply

    Hi Armenians
    I am a Hungarian and like most of my countrymen I am very ashamed sorry about f Hungarian Primeminister for these actions. I love Armenians and this has nothing to do with Hungarian people , we stand firmly beside Armenians against Turks anytime, really soooooo sorry about this big stupid mistake from Hungarian Primeminister.

    • Jakob
      It wasn’t a mistake on the part of the Hungarian government; it was a calculated move because your government KNEW that the Azeris would set the bastard free. Nonetheless, oil money looked more attractive than morality. If you’re really sorry and are beside the Armenians against the Turks, press your government to recognize the Armenian genocide. By doing this, you’ll clear your name. Otherwise, I personally turned from being a Hungarian culture lover (Liszt, Kalman, Bartok, etc.) to the one who now remembers that your nation is ethnically derived from Turkic tribes. Sorry.

    • More than 1000 years have passed since the Armenians first settled in Hungary.

      During Hungary’s war against the Ottoman Turks, the country’s Armenian minority donated 100,000 forints to the war effort and later another 15,000 forints to repair damage caused by the war. Later, during the 1700s financial crises, the community also donated large sums of money as a national debt to their adopted country. A major financial donation was by the Armenians of Szamosújvár towards the establishment of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences.

      Most prominent was the role the Armenians played in the 1848-49 War of Independence against Austrian rule. Hundreds of Armenian officers and enlisted men were killed in the war effort which was led by thirteen top generals, including three Hungarian-Armenians: Erno Kiss (Bzdikian), Vilmos Lazar (Ghazarian) and Janos Czetz (Tzetzian). The first two were executed by the Austrians and the third, Janos Czetz managed to escape to Argentina. Even today, Hungary marks the occasion of their martyrdom on October 6 as a national day of mourning, an event in which the Armenian community of Hungary also participates to remember the Armenian heroes.

    • serko,very interesting & where did you get this information about Hungarian Armenians,support & Armenian officers?Let me know please.

    • VTiger
      I used some facts from the AGBU’s article “1000 Years of History: The Armenians of Hungary” posted at http://www.agbu.org/publications//article.asp?A_ID=327. Cheers.

  24. While talking about justice, cannot you remember HODJALI massacres, and Turkish diplomats murdered by ASALA terrorists!
    Shame on you!

    • Vagt:

      Do you know of any savage acts that the Azeris and their cousins Turks have done against the Armenians BEFORE Hodjali and BEFORE ASALA terrorist attacks? No? Then go educate yourself and then come back. Otherwise, stop potraying Armenians as initiators of violence. Miserable Turks and Tatar Azeris like you are the initiators of intolerance, inhumanity, and barbarism. Learn your history from independent sources.

    • Vagt, it is wrong to suggest that the ax murder of Gurgen Margaryan is comparable to or justified by Khojali or ASALA operations.

      Khojali massacre was a tragic event in an ongoing war that has been mis-reported in Azeri news. Armenians gave ample warning and a safe corridor but Azeris used their own people as human shields who got caught in the unavoidable crossfire. The reports have been distorted and the pictures used as evidence for ‘massacre’ were taken from other battles outside of Karabakh. Armenians regret the tragic death of innocent Azeri women, children and other non-combatants. In any case, it was an event that took place during a war, where unintended tragedies sometimes occur. Safarov killed a sleeping Armenian colleague at a NATO Partnership for Peace training school. These are very different circumstances.

      ASALA targeted the diplomats of a country that refused to take responsibility for the genocide of Armenians and carried out ongoing destruction of Armenian artifacts and culture. It was never a movement widely lauded by Armenians, but seen as the desperate act of those trying to gain the attention of an indifferent world to the plight of the Armenians. Nonetheless, it has been about thirty years since ASALA carried out any operations, and there is NO connection to the Azeris or to the Armenians of Karabakh.

      The Karabakh war is about the right to self-determination and territorial control.
      It should not be turned into a dispute driven by ethnic hatred. Turkey and their cousins, the Tatar Turks of Azerbaijan have turned it into this.

    • You must be a turk using Hungarian name, Hungarians thrown invading turks out of Hungary way way before even your great great grand father was born!!

    • We also remember the 1.5 million, the Hamidian maesecers, the Samgate, Baku porgrom, Driving Armenians out of Nakhijevan, destroying midevel Armenian ceteries and throwing our beautiful cross stones into Seals river. And now we have Safari to remember for the future.

      We also remember how Azerbaijan was placed on
      he map in 1918.

      Azerbaijan’s cowardous acts ways gives us more to remember.

    • Do these denialists have anything else to bring up except Khojali? Apparently not.. and even Khojali can’t be used against Armenians.. how said for them Azeris and Turks who have NOTHING to bring up against Armenians …

  25. avatar JakobSzilvasi // September 9, 2012 at 12:49 am // Reply

    GB are you talking to me ?

    I am a Hungarian and I am supporting Armenians here , I like many Hungarians
    wanted to say sorry for what our stupid Primeminister did but he did this stupid mistake by himself it has nothing to do with Hungarians and many Hungarians have protested .
    Yes of course we fought the Turks and stopped them from spreading Islam into Europe that is why the Church bell tolls in Europe every hour on every day.

    Anyway I hope things settle down and I hope the international agencies condemn
    Azerbaijan for this.

    • No Jakob I am not talking to you ..I am talking to the guy name Vagt.

      I know Hungarian well and I am so sorry, that few Armenians burn Hungarian flag, instead of Turkish and their cousin Azer baboons flag.

      We are suffering in the hand of these barbarians for over 1000 years now, at least Hungarians thrown them out, but we are still surrounded by millions of them, even today, where we have lost entire our historical ancient Armenian land, where our churches, monuments and cemeteries erased off the face of the earth with people!!

      http://iwpr.net/report-news/azerbaijan-famous-medieval-cemetery-vanishes

    • When did Hungary stop Ottoman expansionism in Europe? If I remember correctly, Medieval Hungary was completely destroyed by the forces if Suleiman the Magnificent at Mohacs. Hungary then became contested between the Ottoman empire and the Habsburgs. It was the Habsburgs who TWICE stopped the Ottomans at Vienna. THAT ended Ottoman Expansionism, that perhaps why those church bells ring today. The credit for stopping the Turks goes to them, not Hungarians. You don’t get credit for being part of the Habsburg dynasty when they stopped the Ottomans.

  26. serko: Ok, I admit I may have exaggerated a bit there. I read ONE Russian expert saying that Azerbaijan’s foreign policy was more successful than that of Armenia due to oil factor (which is obvious). However, I sustain that this is not the sole explanation albeit the major one. I never said oil has anything to do with Christianity..

    Ed: “Should”. That’s the key word. However, in reality it is WE who feel humiliated because we couldn’t block his extradition. I mean, I feel humiliated. Can’t speak for others, though.

    Sella: Note that I am not blaming the Armenian church as an institution, I am saying that the Christian mentality is weakening us (and not only us, look at the post-Christian Western countries and how defensive they are towards Islam despite their superiority in about every field imaginable).

    I’m not calling for abolition of Christianity. I’m just saying we should be more aware of how it affects us in politics. As an example, take Erdogan. He is always serious, never smiles. Very arrogant, self-assured and aggressive person. I doubt he would have had that sinister look about him were he a Christian or a Buddhist politician.

    Also, the identity argument is something I keep hearing all the time, but I never saw any proofs. One cannot draw such retrospective historical conclusions. We simply do not know what we would have been today without Lusavorich. We might have been Persians, yes, but we might just as well not. Look at the Kurds, for example.

    “The reason why our foreign policy is soft because we live in a very hostile environment and do not have very good diplomats-has nothing to do with Christianity.”

    Yeah, and too small population.

    Again, I’m not calling for abolition of Christianity. Just philosophying.

    • Vrej
      I hear you. I think I got your point better after you explained. And there is, of course, a rational kernel in what you say. But we are who we are, and it took thousands of years for our national character and mentality to form and be as it is. Christianity played an important and mostly positive role in it. Remember that during the stateless centuries our ancestors would gather around the churches and church schools as the only institutions capable of preserving the vitality of the nation. But then again, were pre-Christian Armenians more bellicose? No historical evidence shows that. Even Tigran the Great, a Pagan himself, wouldn’t take the lives of the conquered foreign rulers but would make them his vassals instead. He wouldn’t as well mass murder other nations, as Turks did to the Armenians, Greeks, or Assyrians, but would put their artisans, masons, and other laborers to service for Armenia.

      If we become arrogant, self-assured and aggressive like Erdogans or murderer (Ottoman) Turks in general, then how are we different from them? I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t like to belong to a murderer and unremorseful nation.

      Without Grigor Lusavorich and Vardan Mamikonian we, most likely, not definitely but most likely, would become Persian Zoroastrians and then, with the arrival of Islam, Muslims. No, I’m proud of what I am: a Christian and an Armenian.

    • I see and understand Verj’s point…

  27. “I know Hungarian well and I am so sorry, that few Armenians burn Hungarian flag, instead of Turkish and their cousin Azer baboons flag.”

    Hungary forced them to burn it and there is no reason for us apologizing for that. However, I agree they should have burnt Azeri and Turkish flags as well. Not to mention the EU flag.

    Just my opinion.

    LONG LIVE ARMENIA

    • I concur Vrej… maybe it was a bit extreme but Turks and Azeris and thoes countries that kiss Turkey’s and Azerbajiani’s behind have done worst things than burning a flag.. Hungarians should understand it was not directed to them, that gesture was against their govt…

  28. avatar Darwin Jamgochian // September 9, 2012 at 10:33 pm // Reply

    I have met quite a few high school and university students that are visiting or working here in the US this summer. They all seem to be a decent sort. One thing that everyone of them have is a complete lack of knowledge of their own country’s hstory. The closest response when talking to them that has any substance pertaining to the genocide was a young girl’s response, “there was a war”.

    How can you have a war against your own citizens? Obviously “The War” is being taught today in Turkish schools as a cover for the atrocities against her own people. I don;t believe the present government of Turkey has any intention of confronting the wall of silence past or present. Are we to hate their children?

  29. avatar JakobSzilvasi // September 10, 2012 at 4:38 am // Reply

    To Serko

    I dont know and cant know that if what you said about Hungarian Primeminister is true but I agree it was stupid move for him to extaradite that guy back to Azerbaijan but I cant agree with you for certain and say without question Hungarian Primeminister knew they would set him free after all this act has embarrased Hungary and the Primeminister.
    I cant convince you to view Hungarians any other way than you now choose but all i can say is the Hungarian people have gone out of their way to appologise (even though its not their actions but very small number of people in Governement who act without consent of Hungarian people) they have protested in Hungary and side by side with Armenians in USA even after Armenians burned Hungarian Flag they still protest on behalf of ARmenians they did this from their hearts Serko they have nothing to gain from Armenians we dont need Armenians we did that to say we are sorry about that action many other countries I dont think would go so far if their Government made same mistake.
    I know many Armenian people I have lots Armenian friends I am a Hungarian I appologise for stupid actions of our primeminister but I tell you something Serko we are not Turks I know you are hurt so I will hold back to sink to your level of insults Hungary is a very civilised European Country I know my nations history very wekk and I know Armenian history very well to in fact part of Armenian stock the Urartians were an non indo european agglutinative speaking people same as Hungarians but in any case plse dont casll us Turks for we are not and never were … we do not speak a Turkic language , we are Christians and we kept Turks/Muslims out of Europe and we have had Armenians in Hungary for many many years and we have treated them very well in fact I have distant Armenian blood in my Hungarian family … Serkom please donbt be a radical against Hungarian people and please see that Hungarians are going out of there way to show solidarity with Armenians .

    • To me, it is out of the question that your prime minister knew what would happen if your government released the Azeri criminal. The Armenian side was assured that such a thing was not possible. Yet, after receiving the oil money, your government sold their souls to Azeri Turks. Again, if Hungarians want to clear your good name, let your local, grassroots, and human rights organizations press your government to recognize the Armenian Genocide.

      And I didn’t call the Hungarians Turks. I said: “your nation is ethnically derived from Turkic tribes”. I didn’t mean any offence by reiterating the historical fact known to everybody. In the 8th century, some Magyars (Hungarians) moved from the Ural Mountains to an area between the Volga and Don rivers, where the Turkic Khazar tribes were living. One such Turkic tribe, the Kabars (Khavars) joined the Magyar tribal confederation. It has been speculated that the eponym “Hungarian” derives from the Turkic word “On Ogur” (Ten Arrows). The Magyars then became the vassals of the Khazars and interbred heavily with them. In the late 9th century, under the leadership of chieftains Lebedias and Árpád, the Hungarians moved west into modern-day Hungary.

      –Source: Arthur Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe: The Khazar Empire and Its Heritage

  30. avatar jakabszilvasi // September 10, 2012 at 5:27 am // Reply

    these are sites made by Hungarian people

    https://www.facebook.com/SorryArmenia

    https://www.facebook.com/HungariansLoveArmenians?refid=8&_ft_

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoXDB1DDAIA&feature=related
    above Hungarian Professor speaking Armenian and appologise for Hungarian Primeminister.

    • Jakob,

      Thanks for the objective stance on the issue and thanks for the apology. Believe me, I am not the only Armenian who appreciates the solidarity of Hungarian people with us regarding this incidence. The Hungarian flag should never have been burned. I find it possible that the Hungarian government did not expect that Azerbaijan would free the criminal. However, they should’ve never sent him to Azerbaijan. Otherwise, I have great respect and admiration for Hungarian people and hope that we can be friends forwever.

    • I second that Gina.

    • Thanks for this link! Everyone should read this analysis of how the Azeri media has manipulated the facts and played on Azeri citizens frustration and anti-Armenian feelings to justify Safarov’s elevation to national hero.

    • good link Random:

      highly recommend Armenians watch the embedded vid: astonishing and frightening to see the ugly results of decades of demonizing Armenians by the authorities in Azerbaijan.

      Ordinary people in Azerbaijan find it quite acceptable to murder an Armenian, because he, quote, “insulted” something or other. The so called “insult” is another in a long line of Azeri fabrications, of course.
      But even it were true, it is barely comprehensible that these seemingly ordinary looking people find it quite normal for a sleeping man to be hacked to death for an “insult”.

      Because he was Armenian.
      Միայն մեծ զենքով կա Հայոց փրկութիուն.

    • I had the opportunity to read the article… WOW…very accurate description as to how Azerbajian’s govt feeds frenzy, hatred, and lies … and having no brains of their own, the Azeri people just follow the lead… watching the video of those who believe these coward is a hero just exemplifies how the majority of the people think about such acts.. it is sad..

      I also commented on the site because as always some idiots never fail to post idiotic comments…

      My friend Avery… here is what our unintelligent friend posted

      “It was never proven that he was sleeping either.
      – lets say your female cousins, other family members were raped and murdered (and thats how Armenians did the war – Khojaly for instance), and then you come to Hungary, and 2 armenian soldiers start telling you how enjoying it was, what a looser you are not to be able to protect them… and constantly do this. what would you do? If you think armenian, or azeri, or chechen, or abkhaz, or anyone from Caucasus would not react then you dont have ANY idea about the values and morale of that part of the world. your “victim” is the one who started the war, who killed first. Sleeping man.. in Khojaly armenians raped 13 year old girls, old men and women who barely walk, cut a pregnant woman and took an unborn child.. what if one of them was his family member.. or yours, what would you do after being reminded, “Joked”? of course.. armenians are only victims who killed thousands of Azeris, made a terrorist attack in metro.. and then azeris are people who have to tolerate them. very objective. blame the one who started the war – armenians. the reason of all the unhappiness in South Caucasus. “

  31. jakabszilvasi: It’s not we who call you Turks, but you yourselves. For example, Jobbik claims that Hungarians are Turkic rather than Finno-Ugric which is obviously false. Hungarian is a Finno-Ugric language. And that’s not a theory.

    Personally I’m amazed that so many Hungarian nationalists would prefer to consider themselves cousins of Turks rather than Finns. Personally I’d prefer to be related to Finns.

    As for Armenian-Hungarian relations, it’s too late to fix them. Armenia whined on Hungary for years not to extradite Safarov but Hungary didn’t give a damn. Hungary well knew that Safarov would be greeted as a hero in Baku.

    Like Serj Sarkisyan said, we will never forgive Budapest for this humiliating act.

    Also, I am proud of the Indo-European Armenian language.

  32. avatar Heghapokhagan // September 10, 2012 at 6:39 pm // Reply

    The Hungarian Government in regard of this deceit and dishonor, should terminate all relationships with Azerbaijan. Secondly should recognize Artsakh (Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh)and having very close ties as an independent country!!! So Help them GOD!!!

  33. avatar jakabSzilvasi // September 11, 2012 at 8:00 am // Reply

    To RVDV

    Yes the Hapsburgs finally pushed the Ottomans out of central Europe but much earlier the Hungarians were holding them at bay from entering central Europe and kept them away for sometime.
    And about the ringing of the Church Bells yes it was a result of the Hungarians defeating the Turks at the Battle of Belgrade …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Belgrade_%281456%29

    “The meaning of this battle was huge, as it proved that the Hungarian and Serbian Christians could interfere the expansion of the Ottoman empire for 70 years, saving the Christian world, Europe, in that time. The Pope celebrated the victory as well and previously ordered all Catholic kingdoms to pray for the victory of the defenders of Belgrade. Leading to the noon bell ritual that is still undertaken in Catholic and old Protestant churches to this day.”

    To Gina, Avery and GB
    ThankYou for realising this is a mistake of a stupid Hungarian Government and not the Hungarian people who genuinely like and support the Armenians.

    Im aware that Armenian President Sargisyan urged people not to burn Hungarian flag as he said the flag does not represent the few individuals who made that decision and that the people of Hungary have had good relationship with Armenians for hundreds of years.
    We understand people were angry with our Government and believe us sooo are we.

  34. avatar jakabszilvasi // September 12, 2012 at 4:54 am // Reply

    To Vrej

    Hungarians are not Turkic but there are reasons why Hungarians or some Hungarians have historically not been all too happy with how the FinnoUgrian theory was in some ways presented to them by the Austrians Hapsburgs who were somewhat racist and at the time were comparing ancient Hungarians to something similiar to an eskimo which is actually false but this did not historically leave a nice taste and this is why you see such rejection of that theory amongst Jobbik and so there was a lot of alternative theories of origin presented actually many of the Hungarians who reject FinnUgrian theory dont believe Hungarians were Turkics but something like Scythians or from similiar people that originated from that region but not Turkics actually the Turkic history politics hijack a lot of theories and try to say certain peoples were Turanian when this is not actually true, there were some minority turkic groups such as Khazars and Cumans that assimilated into Hungarian ethnogenesis but also they assimialed intoto Russia and much of Eastern Europe but this did not effect the Hungarian ethnic identity, Hungarians always called themselves Magyars and history shows that they didnt allign themselves with Turkic peoples, Hungarians do not speak a Turkic language.

    Vrej you are talking about the actions of one man Primeminister Victor Orban the previous Hungarian Primeminister always rejected any suggestions from Azerbaijan.
    Anyway i dont care anymore I am just an individual I like many of my countrymen already said sorry not for something we did but for something 1 stupid Primeminister who calls himself a Hungarian did.
    Like I said I have many Armenian friends and heard from many Armenians they accept solidarity of Hungarian people and appology from Hungarian people, I will go with that. If people wanna be as a radical and against me or all Hungarians then its there choice I dont ask anything from them …whatever.

    • Jakob
      Again, no one here said Hungarians were Turks or that Hungarians speak a characteristic Turkic language. You’re knocking at on open door.

      In “The Magyars in the Ninth Century” British historian Macartney states that “the problem of their [Magyars] origin have long perplexed scholars”; elsewhere he calls it “one of the darkest of historical riddles”. We know with certainty that Magyars were related to the Finns and that their language belongs to the Finno-Ugrian language family. Thus, Magyars were originally unrelated to Turkic nations. But in the 7-9th centuries Magyars have become the vassals of the Turkic Khazars, as attested by Arnold Toynbee. He states that with the arrival of the Rus (Russians) in the 9th century to the region between Don and Kuban rivers where the Khazars lived and the Magyars moved, the relations between Magyars and Khazars became even closer as the Rus were seen as enemies. It is at this point that, as Arthur Koestler contends in “The Thirteenth Tribe”, “several Khazar tribes joined the Magyars and profoundly transformed their national character”. Says Koestler: “It looks as if the Magyars have received—metaphorically and perhaps literally—a blood transfusion from the [Turkic] Khazars. It affected them in several ways. First, […] till the 10th century both the Magyar and Khazar languages were spoken in Hungary”. As British historian Bury writes, “the result of this double tongue is the mixed character of the modern Hungarian language which has supplied specious argument […] as to the ethnical affinities of the Magyars”. Koestler further contends that “the Magyars have also adopted a form of the Khazar double-kingship”. According to Arab geographer Gardezi, cited in Koestler’s book, “they [Magyars] call their leader Kanda [Hungarian: Kende], but the title of the person who effectively rules them is Jula”. Macartney states that “there is a reason to believe that the first Julas of Hungary were Kabars [one of the Turkic Khazar tribes]”.

      I think the oil money was the determining factor for the release of a Turkic Azeri murderer. But it may also be that the Hungarian government followed the distant ethnical affinities with Turkic nations and the blood call. Just my opinion.

  35. avatar john the turk // September 12, 2012 at 1:22 pm // Reply

    Hungarians are clearly a Turkic nation and their language contains at least %15 the Turkish vocabulary . Those who reject their ancient past are motivated by Christianity I advise Armenians to call Hungarians Go back to central Asia where they were originated.

    • john(?!) the turk
      Two words: idiotic comment! No one called the Hungarians a Turkic nation except you. Yes, they interbred with Turkic tribes long ago and their unique Finno-Ugrian language contains Turkic words as a result, but nevertheless they remained uniquely Magyars and Christians.

      And they never lived in Central Asia, their ancestors inhabited areas adjacent to the Ural Mountains and then the Don-Dnieper-Kuban rivers basin before moving to Eastern Europe peacefully. You must have mistaken them with your sheep-breeding nomadic ancestors of Central Asia and the Altay Mountains who scorched everything and everyone on their way to Asia Minor where other, more civilized and nobler peoples, lived.

      P.S. If the Hungarian language “contains at least %15 (maybe you meant 15%? or this how Turks indicate percentage: %15?) the Turkish vocabulary”, please tell us what percentage of Arabic, Persian, Greek words is the Turkish language made of? And what script were you, Turks, were using before 1920s and what script you’re using today?

      By the way, is “John” a Turkish name or maybe it is stolen from Christianity, as most everything that you Turks stole, e.g. Hagya Sophia?

    • I advise that you stay out of our relations. It’s up to us what to tell or how to treat each other, not up to you.

      Further, as far as I know, Hungarians have not engaged in a systematic and intentional annihilation of an entire race as the Turks have. If nothing else, their critical response to their own government’s action today and their obvious disgust by the elevation of a savage to the heights of a hero demonstrate very clearly that you are by far not in the same league when it comes to humanity and civility. Stick that in your head. Yes, there are honest and courageous Turks but they are still the minority. The majority of you sing the praises of the coward and support the Azerbaijani government and its disgusting behavior.

    • {The 2005 edition of Güncel Türkçe Sözlük, the official dictionary of the Turkish language published by Turkish Language Association, contains 104,481 words, of which about 86% are Turkish and 14% are of foreign origin. Among the most significant foreign contributors to Turkish vocabulary are Arabic, French, Persian, Italian, English, and Greek.}

      {Turkic loanwords account for 9.5% in the Hungarian language.}

      (from Wiki)

      Regarding TLA numbers: I would be highly suspicious of their citation of only 14% foreign origin words.
      Since Arabs brought Islam to the Turkic tribes, and since Persians, Armenians, Greeks, Arabs, Assyrians had civilizations much older and more advanced than the Turkic tribes when they came into contact, I have to assume the percentage of loanwords is much higher. Arabs were quite advanced in their time, and I understand Arabic has something like 1 million-2 million words.

      I am no linguist, but I would expect the more advanced a civilization, the richer the language – to describe more complex concepts, and more physical objects.

      Serko: in Europe they write the percent sign before the number.
      Our guest John the Turk lives in Britain (said so in one of his posts, if memory serves)

    • I agree with Gina!

    • “or this how Turks indicate percentage: %15?”

      Yep.

    • avatar Random Armenian // September 12, 2012 at 9:20 pm //

      Avery,

      I believe that when Turkey reformed their alphabet, they also reformed the language and removed many Arabic and other loanwords found in Ottoman Turkish. Elif Shafak has written about the old Turkish and found it to be rich and colorful.

      But I’m no expert in the Turkish language. If Agop Dilaçar was still around, we could have asked him ;)

    • Serko.. WELL SAID my friend.. Well said..

      Yaya The Turk is no stranger to our pages.. his idiotic comments always makes me laugh..

      He is here on our pages for entertainment purposes only… THANK YOU Yayha the Turk for the laugh…

    • john the turk, how ironic that you yourselves don’t even have 15% Turkish blood left in you anymore and now you are calling Hungarians a Turkic nation. Take a look at yourselves in the mirror and take a look at your Central and East Asian ancestors and tell me if you feel related. Too many Turkish delights seem to have raised your blood sugar level and put you into a delusional state of prolonged unconsciousness.

    • Ararat jan.. du demq es.. verchnes… mera xndaluts….lol

  36. avatar Random Armenian // September 12, 2012 at 9:24 pm // Reply

    I have to say that I am impressed by those Hungarians who have chosen to speak up about this whole pardon-the-axe-murderer game and how upset they are about it. How often would you see such a reaction like this in other countries.

    Let’s not allow bad politicians to discolor how we view the people.

    Thank you.

  37. avatar JakabSzilvasi // September 13, 2012 at 1:23 am // Reply

    To Serko

    I have read Koestlers book it is quite interesting.
    Well its hard to know in that time how much interbreeding as you said took place between Khazars and Magyars but my guess is not that much , why because despite Magyars living in vicinity and under suzerainty of Khazars in the end Magyars were not assimilated and maintained there own language and ethnic designation which seems unusual if interbreeding was a normal thing and considering that Khazars were probably more powerful group at that time, another very interesting point is that Turkic peoples in those times were infamous for being horse riding nomads and had very equestrian culture interestingly the word for horse in Hungarian is of Ugrian origin not Turkic and yes there are some Turkic words in Hungarian and most of them relate to animal husbandry somebody said 9% I think that is too high as there is only 300 odd words of Turkic origin in Hungarian and there are in reality more words of slavic, latin and indo european origin in Hungarian than Turkic. Again this is my point the Turanists always try to overplay these things for there political agendas, Hungarians are an old nation and like all nations they have crossed paths and taken influences from various peoples … khazars was only 1 aspect, they also encountered various Iranian peoples also and in fact assimilated an Iranian people called … Jasz/Jaszgys.
    Genetically Hungarians are predominantly a European people , they were a recognised European Christian nation more than 1000 years ago and even before several of there European neighbour nations.

    • Sorry, Jakob, but it is hard for me to imagine that the Serbian government would hand over an Azeri Turk to Azerbaijan who slayed an ethnic Russian while in Serbia.
      Also, I understand from the news that your PM has said the following, I quote: “The [Hungarian] foreign ministry had forecast precisely what types of consequences this or the other decision [extradition or non-extradition] may have [.] Nothing happened after our decision that we would not have reckoned with in advance.” What does this tell you?

    • don’t be so sure about Serbs, Serko:

      {A statue of late Azerbaijani President Heydar Aliyev has been unveiled in a Belgrade park whose renovation was aided by 2 million euros ($2.9 million) from the Azerbaijani government, RFE/RL’s Balkan Service reports. June 08, 2011}

      For a mere €2 million they erect a statue to someone who they knew attempted to exterminate and ethnically cleanse fellow Orthodox Christians (not Slavs, but still…)

      Imagine what they’s be willing to do for €3 Billion.
      I am guessing for the right price, Serbs would prostitute themselves too.

    • It tells me.. another one bit the dust.. Hungarian govt fell into the oil money trap like every other country who tolerates Azerbajian solely because of the money they can pump in their country… THAT IS IT…

    • Serbia was among the countries that had voted in favour of Azerbaijan in United Nations General Assembly Resolution 62/243 which was a resolution of the United Nations General Assembly about the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh, region in Azerbaijan that was occupied by Armenian military forces.[5] On the day when Republic of Kosovo official declared its independence from Serbia, Khazar Ibrahim have stated that Azerbaijan “view this illegal act as being in contradiction with international law. Proceeding from this, Azerbaijan’s position is clear: it does not recognise [Kosovo's] independence”.[6] Azerbaijan has also withdrawn peacekeepers from Kosovo. Turkey has been exerting significant efforts at a senior-level gathering of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) being held in Dakar, Senegal, to have a strongly worded statement lending support to Kosovo’s declaration of independence issued but among some countries Azerbaijan opposed.[7] During the first meeting of Azerbaijan-Serbia intergovernmental commission on 4 November 2011 Co-chairmen of the commission Azerbaijan Minister of Economic Development Shahin Mustafayev showed Azerbaijan’s support. Serbia, in back, have stated that they will keep on supporting Azerbaijan’s position in the conflict against to Armenia.[8] Azerbaijani Culture Center were also opened in Belgrade. The two countries are also planning to cancel visa regyme.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan%E2%80%93Serbia_relations

    • Avery, VTiger
      And Muslim Azerbaijan supported the UN General Assembly’s resolution condemning human rights violations by fellow-Muslim Syria. Armenia abstained. There’s always a reason behind a specific UN vote. Serbia’s reason (not that I support it) to vote in favor of the resolution on the situation in Azerbaijan’s occupied territories is Kosovo. Armenia—although it formally has not recognized the unilateral declaration of Kosovo’s independence—has a tendency towards recognition of the independence of new states (e.g. Eastern Timor, Eritrea, etc.) for obvious reasons. The Artsakh parliament passed a declaration welcoming the position of the international community in their respect for rights of the majority of Kosovo population. My example was about a hypothetical individual—not state-level–case. I still don’t think that the Serbs would hand over an Azeri murderer of a Russian officer to Azerbaijan.

    • Of course he will… not a surprise move on the genocidal country.. i mean what else would you expect? if they treat their murderors as heros.. they won’t keep them in jail for long.. they need to prove something to their people.. such as .. THIS IS WHAT WE WILL DO TO YOU IF YOU KILL AN ARMENIAN… YOU WILL BE TREATED AS A HERO… lunatic physcos…

  38. avatar JakabSzilvasi // September 14, 2012 at 6:36 am // Reply

    To Serko

    Serko even when we talk about Hungarian Government in this situation its only a particuliar administration and even then it looks just a few guys acting on their own after all Orban didnt deal this through his Foreign Ministry. And all spectrums of Hungarian political communities is critical of him for these actions.
    And what you say about Serbia… which Government ? which administration…?
    Milosivic had been accused of a lot of corruption activities within his own country and already someone here points out the statue of of Aliyez in Belgrade Serbia… an orthodox country.
    And again I dont buy into the point that you occasionally have alluded to …”distant affinities with Turkic nations and blood call”…
    firstly Turkey and Azerbaijan themselves are only Turkic nations to a certain limit … they have a large amount of culture on them that is not necessarily remnant of old Turkic peoples. Genetically Turkey is predominantly not Turkic but more so the genetics of the Turkicised mixed populations of Anatollia(Greeks,Kurds,Assyrians,Armenians etc) and with some additions of Arabs,Persians,Balkan peoples, Circassians, Albanians etc. And Azerbajainis are a Turkicised Iranian people. The Ottoman Turks and there forbears who went from central Asian to middle east adopted a very Arabesque ..middle eastern… Islamic culture … which probably was little relation to the Bulgar Turkics who went to southern Europe and assimilated the Slavs and became
    eventually todays …predominantly Orthodox Bulgarians. The Khazars had a different destiny also … they adopted Judaism and according to Koestellers theory they becamse or largely contributed to Ashkenazi Jewery.
    As I have said Hungarians are not and never were Turks but even in the case of past affiliations with Khazars this idea does not make any sense as culture of Turkey is an Arabesque Muslim culture with various other influences and Hungary is a predominantly central european and slightly eastern european culture. In fact there in some respects is more cultural consistancies between Turkey and Balkan countrys than is with Hungary. As for Azerbaijan Hungary has had nothing to do with them we have never had significant Azerbajaini minorities or anything the Armenian historical population in Hungary is far more significant. I dont blame you for being annoyed with this Hungarian administration for there actions and as time goes more things will get clearer ,
    I have already said Orban should resign or be ousted and I agree this Hungarian Government needs to get themselves in order and make a proper response about this issue.

    • Jakob
      I take your point, but I’d stick to what I’ve read about the Hungarians in that the Khazar Turkic influence and interbreeding has fundamentally changed the authentic Magyar national character (these are Koestler’s words, not mine). Yet, I agree (and have never said it actually) that the Hungarians are not Turks. I mentioned only distant past affiliations that you yourself don’t seem to deny.

      Also, you can’t say for sure that genetically Turkey is predominantly not Turkic but a result of Turkicization of many native peoples of Eastern Asia Minor. Of course, there is a large segment of Greek, Kurdish, Assyrian, Armenian, as well as Arab, Persian, Balkan, Circassian, and Albanian genetic material that the Turks dumped into one melting pot, but nonetheless, their authentic origin derives from the Seljuk and Mongol genetic material, given their place of origin in Central Asia.

      And Azerbaijanis are not a distinctly Turkicised Iranian people. At best they are of mixed ethnic origin. One theory is that they might be an Iranian people who changed their language and religion following Turkic invasions. The other theory being that the Azeris are of a Turkic background from Central Asia. Armenians believe the second theory as being true.

      Cheers and thanks for your sympathies with the Armenians. Indeed, the Armenian historical population, presence, and contributions in Hungary should have been far more significant for your government before prostituting themselves to the Azeri Turks.

    • Dear Jakab,
      I hope Hungary will follow the example of Canada and demolish that dictator’s father statues in Hungary, he murdered thousands of Azeri innocent people while he was KGB boss in oily Azerbaijan…he committed Khojali massacre in order to pave his son to be the next oil man of his Sheikdom and remain as a ruthless dictator for his people!!

      Azerbaijani ex-president Heydar Aliyev statue dismantled in Canada

  39. <<Hungarians are clearly a Turkic nation and their language contains at least %15 the Turkish vocabulary . Those who reject their ancient past are motivated by Christianity I advise Armenians to call Hungarians Go back to central Asia where they were originated.<<

    Go back to Central Asia, where you originated.

    Hungarian is NOT a Turkic language. Turks claim that just about everything is Turkish. Hittites, Sumerians, Native Americans, Vikings, Martians – you name it.

    You are PATHETIC.

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