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Dear Rafi(Bedrosyan)
Very well explained and to the point.Only you err in thinking Ocalan said what he said ON HIS OWN.Every wrod uttered by this chap is worthless,coming from a Gestapo Country,so to say.100% censured….
Now then.We Armenians ,those who are politicized and follow up with the daily news and all that concerns our country and Diaspora,8pardon me to say) are quite well versed and know the details.
The Question is DO WE REALLY CARE TO PURSUE OUR TAHD (case) NOT EVEN AS YET PREPARED BY OUR 500 STRONG ATTORNEYS with help of our historians?????
Who do we kid? just to be ahppy to continuously grind the same old 0xydated axe that we´re about to come out on the streets (again)adn demonstrate..AND TO WHOM? the careless bystanders or the FOREIGN DIPLOMATS( INCl. THE TOIKISH ONES…).
I think it time to sober up and ask ourselves do we wish to enter into a REAL CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT AT THE APPROPRIATE IONSTANCES AND THEN AT THE GOVT. LEVEL8BACKING ITS DIASPORA)…..
i PREFER THE NAME ,THOUGH i CALL IT (NON EXISTENT AS YET) sUPREME COUNCIL OF THE dIASPORA.i PREFER TO INLUDE IN IT THE Wstern Armenian wording as swell…since it has legal meaning to it.
En fin,carry on …please..my father used to say the Ghazetgaji also have to make a living(not you) and fill in the newspapers they publish…
best rgds
Very interesting and perceptive article Mr. Bedrosyan
Except this sentence, which makes no sense to me: “Dialogue must and will continue until all four groups start to see….”
Why _must_ dialogue continue ?
To what end ?
“…until all four groups start to see….” ?
Pigs will sprout wings and start flying before that happens.
Every time Armenians have extended a hand, Denialist Turks have used the opportunity to deny, e.g. “Historical Commissions”, “Shared Memory”, “Just Memory”,….
Why bother ?
Instead, let us expend our time and resources (on the AG front) to get more countries on the list, criminalize denial – basically tie them up and tie them down any way we can.
Every time we ‘dialogue’ with Turks, 3rd parties use the excuse not to pass AG legislation, because they “….don’t want to rock the boat”.
The whole ‘dialogue’ thing is a farce.
There is nothing in it for Armenians.
The only benefit flows to Denialist Turkey.
So I say: forget about ‘dialogue’.
Thank you Raffi Bedrosyan for your article, I dont agree with some of the opinions Avery posts but in this case “dialogue” may be bad for armenians. the word is education turks need to stop the hate and educate themselves. there is no other way around it, truth is the only way, thanks for all who post and want a better planet
The so-called ‘white’ Turks are largely associated and/or infiltrated by the Donmeh, who played a huge and prominent role in the establishment of the Committee of Union and Progress, which was founded by them in Salonika. Their influence expanded post 1923 when most of them (approximately 150,000) relocated to Istanbul and assumed control of major government offices as well as former Armenian owned businesses and properties. This cannot and should not be forgotten, as it is a major component of early CUP policies directed against the Armenians, and continued throughout the Kemalist era.
“Like a cell dividing itself into two, then each new cell further dividing into two, Turkey keeps being divided”
Some would call it cultural diversity, recognition of the rich mosaic of the land. If that is all you see, division a la Sevr, then you simply affirm the worst instincts of the extreme natioalists.
{“ Some would call it cultural diversity, recognition of the rich mosaic of the land. If that is all you see, division a la Sevr, then you simply affirm the worst instincts of the extreme natioalists.”}
(Murat // April 10, 2014 at 3:57 pm //)
Circa 1900: Ottoman Turkey; about 25% Christian, 75% Muslim.
2014: Turkey; 99.8% Muslim; Christians, Jews, others only 0.02%
Circa 1000AD: Asia Minor, nearly 100% Christian, rich sedentary cultures and thriving civilizations.
Ethnically cleansed by invading, savage, yurt-dwelling, nomadic Muslim Seljuk Turks who destroyed centuries of creations by cultured peoples.
Those who would not subject to forcible conversion to Islam or forcible Turkification were murdered en mass.
Children and women were stolen nomadic Turks to be used as unwilling donors of high-culture genes for barbarians.
About 2 million Christian Armenians, indigenous peoples of Armenian Highlands for 5,000+ years, were subjected to Genocide by Muslim Turks, with their Kurd helpers (1895-1923).
Turks ‘thanked’ their Kurd helpers by in turn subjecting them to a massacre at Dersim around 1938.
Up until recently Kurds officially did not exist in ‘culturally diverse’ Turkey: only the mythical ‘Mountain Turks’ existed.
Other Christians, Greeks and Assyrians, also subjected to genocide by ‘cultural diversity’ Turks.
Churches destroyed or converted to Mosques or barns: you guessed it, by ‘rich mosaic’ Turks.
Armenian, Greek, Assyrian, Arab, Persian culture, song, dance, cuisine, architecture, etc, etc, – stolen by nomadic Turks and presented to the world as ‘Turkish’.
“Cultural diversity” ?
“Rich mosaic of the land” ?
Must be the mythical nomadic Turkic version of alleged cultural diversity and rich mosaic: facts are facts, and myths are myths as our Denialist Turk guest Murat is fond of saying.
Hi. Quite a nice analysis, Mr. Bedrosyan. But you missed one big group _ the Turks who were part of the Gezi protests of last year and who want to see a secular and fully-democratic Turkey, which will face the past in the correct manner and accept all the bad pages of its history, including the Armenian genocide.
Personally, I don’t see the government of Erdogan ever accepting the genocide. Also, with Erdogan, Turkey risks sliding further down the undemocratic route (censorship and Islamisation are on the increase in Turkey; and even small, peaceful demonstrations are brutally dealt with by the police force, which is one of the toughest forces in the world).
As a pro-secular Turk, who wants Turkey to be part of the West (instead of joining forces with the dark forces of the Middle East, such as Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood)and as someone who wants the denial of the genocide to stop, I have to unfortunately say that I am not hopeful about the future.
To all the Armenians here, I want to say that the no of Turks who want genocide-denial to stop, is higher than you think; but of course, sadly, we are still in the minority in Turkey.