Co-founder of PKK among murdered
PARIS, France—Three Kurdish female human rights activists were shot dead at point blank at the Kurdish institute in Paris on Jan. 10.
The dead include Sakine Cansiz, one of the co-founders of the Kurdish guerrilla group PKK, currently in negotiations with Ankara to establish a cease fire. The two others victims were Kurdistan National Committee (KNC) representative and head of the Kurdish institute Fidan Dogan, and activist Leyla Soylemez.
The French interior minister Manuel Valls said the three were “summarily executed.”
The bodies of the victims were found at the institute at 2 a.m. According to reports, the doors to the institute in Paris’s 10th arrondissement were locked and police had to break into the building. There were no CCTV cameras in the site of the murder.
According to the BBC, Cansiz was a founding member of the PKK, and the first senior female member of the organization. She led the Kurdish protest movement out of Diyarbakir prison in Turkey in 1980s. Later, she worked with PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan in Syria, and was a commander of the women’s guerrilla movement in Kurdish areas of northern Iraq. Recently, she has headed the PKK women’s movement in Europe
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Why is Turkey so interested in finalizing a peace plan with the PKK’s Ocalan all of a sudden??? We all know a more sinister plot is brewing when Turkish authorities start acting like their suddenly interested in peace…
Yes, isn’t it a factor that they are supposedly negotiating with Ocalan when this happens? There could be many reasons behind this killing. Factor in what is happening in Syria.
The terrorist murders of these brave three Kurdish campaigners in Paris by the Turkish Deep State/Secret Services shows the depth of (Deep State) Turkish penetration into the heart of European democracies – and no doubt US and elsewhere.
The question is how the Deep State could act so freely in the heart of Europe? Is their penetration and sinister activities just tolerated? Or is it the case that there is some degree of cooperation and collaboration and give-and-take by the respective host country security services with the Turkish terrorists?
The fact that Kurdish activists and especially Kurdish media in various European countries and the US constantly get hounded and persecuted does show a high degree of Turkish repressive/terrorist influence in the heart of major democracies. It is a well known fact that Turkey has successfully managed to label Kurdish liberation struggle as “terrorism” while the real terrorist Deep State is given a free ride both inside Turkey, and as we now see, even in the heart of Europe.
It is about time the ‘international community’ treated Turkey the way it has – in my view wrongly – been treating Syria. It has been Turkey which has since 1980s murdered tens of thousands of Kurdish people as well as thousands of Kurdish villages displacing millions of them.
Nobody knows who killed them yet, but you do. Congratulations, what a wise man you are! Just tell what you know to the French Police. They are still searching the murderers, don’tlet them waste their time. Some people are really ….
The terrorist murders of these brave three Kurdish campaigners in Paris by the Turkish Deep State/Secret Services shows the depth of (Deep State) Turkish penetration into the heart of European democracies – and no doubt US and elsewhere.
The question is how the Deep State could act so freely in the heart of Europe? Is their penetration and sinister activities just tolerated? Or is it the case that there is some degree of cooperation and collaboration and give-and-take by the respective host country security services with the Turkish terrorists?
The fact that Kurdish activists and especially Kurdish media in various European countries and the US constantly get hounded and persecuted does show a high degree of Turkish repressive/terrorist influence in the heart of major democracies. It is a well known fact that Turkey has successfully managed to label Kurdish liberation struggle as “terrorism” while the real terrorist Deep State is given a free ride both inside Turkey, and as we now see, even in the heart of Europe.
It is about time the ‘international community’ treated Turkey the way it has – in my view wrongly – been treating Syria. It has been Turkey which has since 1980s murdered tens of thousands of Kurdish people as well as destroying thousands of Kurdish villages displacing millions of them.
This has Turkey written all over it. They regard the Kurds the way they regard
Armenians.
No Elo…Kurds are very brave and fearless…
Armenians are artful people…They can’t see blood…
Although we have much similarities with them …
Their girls are pretty like Armenians and very kind hearted…
I lived with them till the age 12 years…I know them well.
They were assassinated by the hard line Turkish military agents who do not want any talks between the Turks and Kurds,this is the crux of the matter.
Turkish military who have assassinated hundreds of political activists in the past are very active in stopping any political movement on the Kurdish, and Armenian fronts.
The Turkish deep state has organised this just like the assassination of Hrant Dink.
Another fine example of so called Turkish “diplomacy.” Who knew Turkey’s “zero problems” policy was going to involve eliminating its outspoken critics?
So 2 human rights activists and one terrorist dead.
There are 20-30 million terrorists living in Turkey, they want their own separate terrorist flag from Turks!!
Silly RVDV, one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist.
Yet, another “terrorist” was killed in Turkey, what a blind Turk you are RDVD!!
you must have reading poems from, Ziya Gökalp, Mehmed Nazim, and
Behaeddin Shakir, works, and brain washed by pedophile Ataturk fake videos as a roll model!
http://www.armradio.am/en/2013/01/11/armenian-teacher-brutally-murdered-in-istanbul/
According to the CIA World Factbook, Kurds comprise 18% of the population in Turkey. 18% of 75 million is 13.5 million. Secondly, you know nothing of the PKK or Kurds if you think all or even a majority of Kurds are PKK sympathizers or supporters. Roughly 15 MILLION or so Kurds in Turkey, only 7 to 10 THOUSAND active PKK militant members. The more “hardcore” PKK supporters are found in Europe, some of my own family members, in fact, donate large sums of money each year to various Kurdish organizations known for their support to the Kurdistan Workers Party. It would be like saying all Armenians supported ASALA. While the underlining goal of ASALA- Turkish recognition of the AG- is a goal all Armenians have, I’m sure most Armenians did not agree with their methods and tactics. Same with the PKK. Their stated goal is the advancement of cultural and political rights of Kurds in Turkey, something all Kurds want. But the way the PKK continue to go about their business does nothing but further inflame the situation. The PKK and Kurdish nationalists want the violence to continue as much as possible. They want as much destruction and chaos as possible. They do not, nor, I doubt, have they ever wanted peace with the Turkish government. (Believe me, I am NOT a self-hating Kurd. I was 2 years old when my family left Turkey, my mind has not been tainted by the Turkish mis-education system.) What they want is an independent Kurdistan. And currently, their leader Ocalan is in peace negotiations with the Turkish government. So if you’re wondering who is more motivated here to derail the peace talks- the PKK/ Kurdish nationalists or the Turkish ‘deep state’- I’d say 50/50.
““They might have opened the door to their assassins,” Paris-based Kurdish Association Federation representative Leon Edart said, according to the French daily Le Parisien. ”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/01/11/why-the-slain-pkk-activists-might-have-known-their-killers/
How can this be not a Turkish motivated crime? They defiantely are, because Ankara wants proactive Kurds gone. This is therapy for cronic fear Turks have of the Kurds.
The victims aren’t even killers, rather human rights activists.
But, there are plenty of Kurds to recruit new ones and pleny of room for Anaka to plan ahead for more killings of Kurds out of fear. To Turkish law makers the Kurds today are what Armenans/Greeks/Assyrians were to the Ottomans before.
Being in Turkish politics requires Ottoman style behaviorial changes.
I guess, Ottomans used Kurds to terrorize and finish Christians and then they planed to finish or Turkishify Kurds.
Already they have turkified the Kurds,
almost all of them they don’t know their own language…
They speak and write in turkish…They are worse than Sadam Hussain…
Sadam never stopped kurds to speak their own language…
They turkified their tongue…
But can they turkify their hearts …!!!
Sylva
I have long thought it strange that Turkey would even talk to Ocalan whom it has always hated.
Moreover, does Ocalan really retain control over his group after so many years in jail? This is very hard to believe.
Whatever deal Turkey makes with him is also obviously made while he is under extreme duress. Does the man even see daylight anymore or read a paper?
Seems to me that he would not be in his right mind after years in a Turkish jail.
Turks may even gave him Turkish brand hash oil, or opium, on daily bases to create a new Ocalan and relax his mind !! The new Ocalan is good for a retirement home in Paris, and he can talk nice about Rajab, and Abdullah, for his treatment in jail! Only a few professional psychologists can find the truth behind Ocalan!!
RVDV:
Population figures:
The CIA Factbook is a valuable resource, and mostly accurate. I use it a lot.
But the 18% is impossible to either prove or disprove. And it reflects the official Turkish estimate.
I have seen the 20 million figure mentioned several times in Turkish media: not scientific, but neither is the 18%.
As far as I know there has been no official census that actually counted Kurds in Turkey: officially, they did not even exist until a few years ago.
I believe the 20+ million figure. I have done some estimates from various sources.
For years Kurds have claimed that their growth rate is 3X-3.5X that of the general Turkish population.
Recent official figures back that up to a certain degree.
[Birth rate higher in poorer provinces]
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/birth-rate-higher-in-poorer-provinces.aspx?PageID=238&NID=33275&NewsCatID=344
If you go back some decades on the estimates of Kurds in Turkey, and then calculate forward at 3X, you should arrive at around 20+ million.
Kurds most likely overestimate their numbers at 30 million in Turkey, and the Turkish state underestimates it at 18% for obvious reasons.
So the actual number is somewhere in between, in my opinion.
And I think you underestimate the popular support that PKK has in Turkey: no guerrilla movement could have lasted 30 years without it.
For 30 years, 1000s of young Kurds have joined the PKK and have been killed in action. The flow of volunteers has not diminished.
Without deep popular support in the Turkish Kurdsociety at large, the flow of volunteers would dry up.
And the fact that the Turkish state is willing to negotiate peace with people they despise and call terrorists indicates the State knows Kurds and PKK are a very serious threat: they want to head it off before it gets out of control and fractures Turkey into 2 or more parts.. Demographic time is on Kurds’ side.
RDVD
Unfortunately there is no more Armenians or other Christian “minorities” left in Turkey to play a “baliball” game with those “fanatic” Kurds. It is time for Turks to face the reality of KURDS!! Slow learners Kurds finally are in a right track.
And they know how those criminal Turks fool them 100 years ago, they had enough of Turkish propaganda, no Kurd wants to listen to a Turkish Mufti love song, who used to call, jihad against Armenians, and other Christian population of Ottoman Turkey, from the top of his warm and nice cozy Minaret!!
Sakine Cansiz was on a USA “hitlist” according to a cable released by Wikileaks.
http://wikileaks.org/cable/2007/12/07ANKARA2917.html
My above comment does not mean that the US killed Sakine Cansiz, but the US has cooperated with Turkey, and are no doubt complicit in the killing.
RVDV
Your figure is more or less accurate. You can find many more informations regarding the Kurdish population in the Turkish media outlets.I have found a similar figure but using a different way. I got a data supplied by a government website that shows the latest population province by province. The population of the Kurdish provinces is roughly 7.5 millions. % 20-25 of the population out of 7.5 M is the Turkish population so we have 6 millions Kurdish people living in the Kurdish populated area. We know that %50 of the Kurdish people live outside of south eastern Turkey. This makes the current Kurdish population 12 millions. some researches indicates that the total |Kurdish population is 8.9 Millions etc but I find your figure more reliable.
I am’t optimistic about the current talks between PKK and the Government because the PKK circles have created their own heroes and universes and myths like the Armenian universe but the facts on the grounds are different.
How many of Kurds are Armenians and turkified…???
They say there are 2 million Armenians Turkified…
I think those turkified Armenian if they live in Saudi Arabia they can tell their origin that they are Armenians
Saudi Arabia The place called “The Birth of Islam” but they can’t open their mouth in Turkey to say that they have Armenian genes…
They will be free in Saudi Arabia …
No one will hang and insult them to be Armenians…
I went there i was welcomed as Armenian…
Turks if they are real Muslims will not do what they did for Armenians…
But they don’t know anything about Islam…
If they are examined about Sharea law all will fail in their exams”
Islamic law says you can not kill women and children but Turks calling them selves Muslims they apply their culture which they brought with them
from Asian tatars they are allowed to kill everyone…All Halal for them…!!!
“Their god tells them kill and confiscate…”
I suggest all Armenian who are turkified to live in Saudi Arabia…
“To be Muslim is a pride … but to be a killer is a criminal act…”
I will write a letter to King Abdulla and tell him how Turkified Armenians are treated in Turkey …Who calls their land an Islamic Country …
On what basis i don’t know …?
I like response let me know… who will answer me…
Most of my letters are removed from this site …!!!
Thanks for vanishing them …congrats…!!!
If a cofounder of a well known Marxist-Leninist Communist terrorist group (PKK) gets killed then, good for whoever killed the co-founder of the terrorist group. PKK should be treated like Al-Qaida and Taliban. It is a Communist, Marxist, Leninist terrorist group. Look up the PKK flag and it will have a Communist flag symbol on it. The international community should praise whoever did this, just like the international community praised the death of Bin Laden.
The Evil Empire is dead, so people call themselves PKK means nothing anymore, Bottom line Kurds wants to have their own “terrorist flag”, at least their flag is not soaked with blood color!! How that possible 50 million world people, named Kurds don’t have their own national flag in UN?, where some smaller countries less than 100.000 population exist, such as Andorra (86.000), Lichtenstein (36.000), Monaco (35.000). Are they better terrorists than Kurds??
GB
Please do not worry about Kurds. Kurds will also have their own state in northern Iraq in the near future but Kurds can not have an independent state in Iran, Iraq, Turkey or Syria at the same time just the same as millions of Turks living in Bulgaria, Greece, Iraq or Syria
The difference is, Kurds can trace their leneagic history to the people who lived there for more than 2000 years but Turks can’t even go back to a single group ancestory one generation away. Kurds are not invadors, but Turks were and still are. Germany is witnessing Turkish minority poppulation explosion. I am sure very soon they will cry for independance.
Kurds didn’t travel thousands of miles to invade someone else’s lands, but turks did and they turkishified the natives to honor turkic sultans from young age.
To only problem with Kurds is they are stupid. When they killed Christians to serve their Turkish millitary masters, they didn’t know what was coming for them. The plan was to Turkishify them as well after wards. Now they pay the price and many regret.
John Turk,
Once mighty Ottoman Empire, and before them Byzantine, people had same mentality of yours, they are all gone away with the wind!! Turks are well known people in European continent!
Those “turkified” or better say Islamized people who are spread entire Eastern Europe, are left over of Ottomans, who remain Islamized Slavic people in Easter Europe, like Hamshen Armenians in Turkey or Crypto-Armenians of Turkey, they are not Turks!!
Those Islamized Slavic people are not Altai people and are not brain washed Turks!! Kurds are pure indo-European nation like Armenians, scattered all over Middle East by Ottomans, where they used them as tool, whenever they needed them, such as during Hamidian massacres, or Armenian Genocide, or better say Genocides of Christian Populations of the Ottoman, they play a major role in the hands of Turkey’s CUP leadership!!
Kurds real hometown is in South Eastern Turkey, close to Iranian border with Iraq, where Ottomans forced them to go further east. Today’s Turkey changed their tactics and moving them to western part of Turkey. These political games over Kurds will be finished one day; they are more educated, more organized, than ever before!! They are just fighting to have a homeland with their own flag, own culture and to be a UN member, like Turks!
GB:
PKK is not representative of all or even a majority of Kurds. Many millions of Kurds live outside of Turkey and for them and many inside of Turkey, the PKK does not represent them. PKK is considered by many international organization worldwide as a terrorists organization. If holding the same view as the US, EU, UN, and NATO makes me a “blind Turk” then I am a blind Turk. Guilty as charged. Fighting for a noble goal doesn’t mean your ways of trying to achieve said goal doesn’t constitute terrorism. Secondly, you can call Ataturk a pedophile or a homosexual or whatever else you want to, it will not provoke a response from me. I don’t care.
RVDV@ You are totally right about PKK not being a representative of Kurds. Most Kurds in Turkey hate the PKK and despise them with a passion. Why? Because their goal is to spread Communism, Marxism, Leninism and Stallinism. Also, the goal of the PKK is to spread division and hate in Anatolia, instead of unity.
Erdogan made a secret deal with the other PKK leader Ocalan to help the Kurds establish a Kurdish state in Syria once Assad’s regime fell. These woman opposed the idea and that is why they were killed. The goal is to deport the Turkish Kurds to Syria.
It’s not a secret deal if you know about it, is it?