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On Sunday afternoon, June 9, 2013, the Chicago chapter of the Hamazkayin Armenian Educational and Cultural Society presented a program on a segment of Armenian Church history at the Armenian All Saints Church and Community Center’s Shahnazarian Hall in Glenview, Ill. After welcoming words by the chapter’s chairman, Haroutiun Mikaelian, Ani Vartanian introduced the participants in the program, followed by the presentation of crosses from the Eastern Prelacy to the female members of the choir who had served the church in that capacity for 25 years. Lusine Torian recited the poem “The Armenian Church” by Vahan Tekeyan, followed by Lousin K. Tokmakjian’s piano rendition of “Nor Dzaghig,” a sharagan (or psalm). Following the day’s event, refreshments were served.

Armenian nun-deacons, New Julfa (Fr. A. Oghlukian photo)

Armenian nun-deacons, New Julfa (Fr. A. Oghlukian photo)

The speaker of the day, Knarik O. Meneshian, presented a lecture and slideshow titled “The Armenian Deaconess and Her Forgotten Role in the Armenian Apostolic Church.” After Meneshian thanked the Chicago Chapter of the Hamazkayin Educational and Cultural Society for inviting her to present her lecture, and greeted the guests, she began her talk with the following introductory remarks:

“Since childhood, I’ve always had a reverence and love for the Armenian Church. I joined the choir when I was a teenager. The Armenian All Saints Apostolic Church, as some of you will recall, was on Lemoyn Street in Chicago at the time. One day, Der Hayr Maronian, the parish priest then, handed me a scroll and told me to go home and study it and be prepared to read it the following week. It was a long scroll, and beautifully handwritten in Armenian. The following week during church service, I was motioned to ascend the altar where I unrolled the scroll and read from the Book of Daniel (Danieli Girk). I’ve never forgotten the serene feeling that came over me in church that day as I read to the congregation.

“Before starting my presentation, I would like to recount a scene from a historical novel I read several years ago on the American Indians. The scene began with an entire village walking—again in search of better hunting grounds. The village elder followed behind the group carrying a tattered bundle on his back. Once in a great while, he slipped something into his bundle, but he never removed anything from it. The people often wondered what it was that he carried in the bag and guarded so carefully. One day, someone asked, ‘Oh, Elder, what is in your bundle? It looks so heavy and seems such a burden to carry.’ The village elder paused and then beckoned everyone to sit down. As they sat around him, the elder gently placed the bundle on the ground and reverently kneeled before it and said, ‘This bag, my people, contains our history. Without it, we would not know who we are; what we are.’

“Now, let’s glimpse into our own history, a segment of our history nearly forgotten: the women deacons of the Armenian Apostolic Church.

Kalfayan Sisterhood with Patriarch Galustian (R. R. Ervine photo)

Kalfayan Sisterhood with Patriarch Galustian (R. R. Ervine photo)

“After Armenia accepted Christianity as the state religion in 301 AD, magnificent things began to take place in the country. Churches were built, some over the ruins of pagan temples. Tatev Vank, for example, was built atop a pagan ruin and Holy Etchmiadzin over a Zoroastrian temple. The alphabet was invented. The Bible was translated into Armenian. The arts, education, and literature flourished. Books such as The History of Vartanank by Yeghishe, The History of Armenia by Khorenatsi, and later, The Book of Prayers by Narekatsi, were written.

“Susan, a woman scribe, copied Yeghishe’s and Khorenatsi’s books, and the scribe Goharine copied Narekatsi’s book. Sharagans were written, some by women, notably Sahagadoukht, a poetess and composer who wrote some of the sharagans for the Armenian Church and taught men while seated behind a canopy. It is believed that some of the ancient pagan tunes were used to sing the psalms.

“Women deacons, an ordained ministry, have served the Armenian Church for centuries. In the Haykazian Dictionary, based on evidence from the 5th-century Armenian translations, the word deaconess is defined as a ‘female worshipper or virgin servant active in the church and superior or head of a nunnery.’ Other pertinent references to women deacons in the Armenian Church are included in the ‘Mashdots Matenadarn collection of manuscripts from the period between the fall of the Cilician kingdom (1375) and the end of the 16th century, which contain the ordination rite for women deacons.’

“The diaconate is one of the major orders in the Armenian Church. The word deacon means to serve ‘with humility’ and to assist. The Armenian deaconesses historically have been called sargavak or deacon. They were also referred to as deaconess sister or deaconess nun. The other major orders of the church are bishop and priest. The deaconesses, like the bishops and monks, are celibate. Their convents are usually described as anabad, meaning, in this case, not a ‘desert’ as the word implies, but rather ‘an isolated location where monastics live away from populated areas.’ Anabads differ from monasteries in their totally secluded life style. In convents and monasteries, Armenian women have served as nuns, scribes, subdeacons, deacons, and archdeacons (‘first among equals’), as a result not only giving of themselves, but enriching and contributing much to our nation and church. In the 17th century, for example, the scribe and deaconess known as Hustianeh had written ‘a devotional collection of prayers and lives of the fathers, and a manuscript titled Book of Hours, dated 1653.’

Dn. Hripsime, Istanbul 1998 (R. R. Ervine photo)

Dn. Hripsime, Istanbul 1998 (R. R. Ervine photo)

“The following illustrates the length of time it took a candidate, ‘after years of serious spiritual and religious preparation,’ to become an ordained deaconess: The Deacon Hripsime Sasunian, born in Damascus, Syria, in 1928, entered the Kalfayan Sisterhood Convent in Istanbul, Turkey, at the age of 25. At age 38, she was ordained sub-deacon, and at age 54, deacon.

“To appreciate more fully the role of the deaconess in the church, Father Abel Oghlukian’s book, The Deaconess In The Armenian Church, refers to Fr. Hagop Tashian’s book Vardapetutiun Arakelots… (Teachings of the Apostles…), Vienna, 1896, and Kanonagirk Hayots (Book of Canons) edited by V. Hakobyan, Yerevan, 1964, in which a most striking thought is expressed:

If the bishop represents God the Father and the priest Christ, then the deaconess, by her calling, symbolizes the presence of the Holy Spirit, in consequence of which one should accord her fitting respect.

“The history of the deaconess in the Armenian Apostolic Church can be broken down into two periods: the medieval period beginning in the 9th century, and the modern period beginning in the 17th century to the present, though before the 9th century vague reference is made to them ‘beginning in the 4th century.’ In Prof. Roberta R. Ervine’s published paper titled, ‘The Armenian Church’s Women Deacons,’ which includes a number of fascinating photos of deaconesses, she lists the names of 23 of the Church’s women deacons who have been recorded, along with their ordinations, various activities, and contributions to the church.

“Over the centuries, in some instances, the mission of the Armenian deaconesses was educating, caring for orphans and the elderly, assisting the indigent, comforting the bereaved, and addressing women’s issues. They served in convents and cathedrals, and the general population.

“Though there were those who approved of women in the diaconate, some of the church fathers, such as the clergyman Boghos Taronatsi and Nerses Lambronatsi (1153-1198), whose great uncle was Nerses Shnorhali, did not. Instead, they wanted to close it to them. Interestingly, when Lambronatsi was around ‘37 years old in 1190, his mother Sahandukht and two sisters Susana and Dalita entered the Lambronatsi convent as founding members of that congregation.’

Dn. Hripsime Tahiriants (H.F.B. Lynch photo)

Dn. Hripsime Tahiriants (H.F.B. Lynch photo)

“Mkhitar Gosh (l130-1213), however, who was a priest, public figure, scholar, thinker, and writer, ‘defended the practice of ordaining women to the diaconate,’ Ervine writes, and she adds that in his law book titled, On Clerical Orders and the Royal Family, Gosh described women deacons and their specific usefulness in the following words:

There are also women ordained as deacons, called deaconesses for the sake of preaching to women and reading the Gospel. This makes it unnecessary for a man to enter the convent or for a nun to leave it.

When priests perform baptism on mature women, the deaconesses approach the font to wash the women with the water of atonement behind the curtain.

Their vestments are exactly like those of nuns or sisters, except that on their forehead they have a cross; their stole hangs from over the right shoulder.

Do not consider this new and unprecedented as we learn it from the tradition of the holy apostles: For Paul says, ‘I entrust to you our sister Phoebe, who is a deacon of the church.’

“Smbat Sparabet (Constable), who lived in the 13th century, was the brother of King Hetoum and an important figure in Cilicia. He was a diplomat, judge, military officer, translator (especially of legal codes), and a writer. In his Lawbook he, like Gosh, also mentions women deacons, but ‘places them under the authority of priests, rather than of male deacons.’

“In his book, The History of the Province of Syunik, the historian and bishop of Syunik, Stepanos Orbelian (1260-1304), also wrote about women deacons. He, like Mkhitar Gosh and Smbat Sparabet, also approved of women deacons and believed that it was a laudable institution. In her paper, Ervine explains that Orbelian placed the deaconess in the role of preacher and Gospel reader, and denoted her status of office as a stole (oorar) on the right side. (Later, the women deacons would wear the stole on the left side, like the male deacons.) She includes this passage from Orbelian’s book on Syunik:

The woman deacon served on the altar, as did her male counterpart, and the bishop did not limit her liturgical service to convent churches only, but she did stand apart from the male deacons for avoidance of any perceived impropriety. She also did not touch the sacred Elements.

“In the 17th century, a great reform movement, begun by Movses Tatevatsi, took place in Etchmiadzin. When Tatevatsi became Catholicos in 1629, he ‘sparked a spiritual and cultural revival not only in the Armenian homeland, but also in communities as far away as Jerusalem.’ He was a great believer in the education of women and encouraged them; as a result, the number of women deacons in the church increased.

“Among the progressive and inspiring changes Tatevatsi made, even before his election to Catholicos, was the building of a convent next to St. Hovhannes Church in Nor Julfa (New Julfa) in 1623. The convent complex, which included a church for monastic women, was called Nor Julfaee Soorp Kadareenyan Anabad (St. Catherine’s Convent of New Julfa) after a 4th-century martyr named Saint Catherine.

“Deaconesses Uruksana, Taguhi, and Hripsime were the founding members of St. Catherine’s Convent, which existed for three and one-quarter centuries. St. Catherine’s Convent ran two schools and an orphanage, and oversaw a factory. In its early years, the convent had many Sisters. Throughout the convent’s history, some of the monastic women were ordained as deaconesses, while others ‘were content with receiving minor clerical orders.’

“By 1839, the number of women at the convent had decreased to 16. The last abbess of St. Catherine’s was Yeghsabet Israelian, whose brother was elected Patriarch Giuregh I in Jerusalem in 1944. Eventually, the number of monastic women at the convent decreased even further and in 1954 the doors of St. Catherine’s were closed.

Knarik Meneshian delivering her lecture (Photo by Murad Meneshian)

Knarik Meneshian delivering her lecture (Photo by Murad Meneshian)

“Around this period, approximately a thousand miles north of New Julfa, in the city of Shusi in Artsakh, there was a small convent whose members never grew beyond five. In the village of Avedaranots, southeast of Shusi, there was another convent. In the northern part of Artsakh, in the Mardagerd region, there was once a monastery for monastic women in the village of Goosabad known as Goosanats Anabad (Convent of the Virgins). Upon the ruins of the monastery a church was built.

“The women’s monastic community of Koosanats Sourp Stepanos Vank (Convent of St. Stepanos Monestary) was established in Tiflis, Georgia in 1725. The mission at St. Stepanos was the training of women deacons. As at St. Catherine’s, the Sisters at St. Stepanos were ordained deaconesses. ‘In 1933, the community comprised 18 members, 12 of whom were ordained deacons.’

“The abaouhi (abbess) of the convent was always an achdeaconess. She wore a ring on her finger and two crosses that hung down her chest. St. Stepanos’ last abbess, Deaconess Hripsime Tahiriants, who was a woman of authority and influence, came from a prominent family. During a trip to Jerusalem, she served on the altar of the Cathedral of Saints James in Jerusalem. The deaconesses of St. Stepanos were noted for their musical abilities, and as a result, they were frequently asked to perform at functions, including funerals. These engagements helped support their religious community. When women entered convents, they brought funds with them to help support themselves. If, however, someone came from an indigent family, then the abbess provided for her needs. Upon the death of a deaconess, whatever money remained after funeral expenses was kept by the convent. If, however, upon the monastic woman’s death, she had not yet attained the rank of deaconess, after funeral expenses, half of the money she brought with her to the convent was returned to the family.

“It is interesting to note that Holy Etchmiadzin’s finely carved wooden doors are a gift from Deaconess Tahiriants. The inscription on the doors read: Heeshadak Avak- Sarkavakoohi Hripsime Aghek Tahiriants, 1889 (In Memory of Archdeaconess Hripsime Aghek Tahiriants).

“In 1892, Deaconess Tahiriants traveled to Etchmiadzin for the consecration of Khrimian Hayrig as Catholicos, and there she presented him with a gold and silver embroidered likeness of the Cathedral of Etchmiadzin. It was on this occasion that she had given H.F.B. Lynch, the author of Armenia: Travels and Studies, her photo, which the author used in his book, and is on the cover of Fr. Oghlukian’s book and in Ervine’s paper.

St. Stepanos’s women’s community ceased to exist before 1939, but Nicolas Zernov, a Russian clergyman and writer on church affairs, wrote in 1939 how impressed he had been when present at the Eucharist in the St. Stepanos Armenian Church in Tiflis ‘where a woman deacon fully vested brought forward the chalice for the communion of the people.’

“According to internet sources, in 1988, the Georgian government took ownership of the 14th-century church. Between 1990 and 1991, all Armenian inscriptions were either removed or destroyed, and burial vaults where the Armenian deaconesses were laid to rest were destroyed. Goosanats Sourp Stepanos Vank is now a Georgian church.

“The Kalfayan Sisterhood of Istanbul, whose ‘stated mission was the care and education of orphans,’ was established in 1866. Patriarch Mesrop Naroyan ordained the sisterhood’s first member, Aghavni Keoseian, as deacon in 1932. Patriarch Shnork Galustian ordained the last, Hripsime Sasunian, in 1982.

“Ervine writes of Sasunian: ‘In 1986, Deacon Hripsime Sasunian visited the Western Diocese of America, where she served the liturgy in a different parish of the Diocese on each Sunday of her visit. She had functioned as head of the Kalfayan Orphanage, served the Patriarchate as an accountant, in addition to serving the Sunday liturgy in various parishes in the capital. Patriarch Galustian used, on the occasion of the ordination of Deacon Hripsime Sasunian, the canon for a male deacon.’

“Deaconess Sasunian was invited to Lebanon in 1990 by His Holiness Catholicos Karekin I to found a new Sisterhood. Named the Sisterhood of the Followers of St. Gayane, it was established next to the Bird’s Nest Orphanage in Byblos, Lebanon. As a result, the monastic veil was awarded to the Sisterhood’s first candidate, Knarik Gaypakyan, in the Cathedral at Antelias on June 2, 1991. ‘At the present time, three women deacons serve the Bird’s Nest Orphanage…under the jurisdiction of the Catholicosate of the Great House of Cilicia.’ (Note: In a press release from the Armenian Prelacy of Aderbadagan, Iran, it was announced that on Mon., June 24, 2013, the Very Reverend Der Grigor Chiftjian, Prelate of Aderbadagan, attended a meeting regarding church matters at the Catholicosate in Antelias. He also visited the Bird’s Nest Orphanage and met with Sisters Knarik Gaypakian, Shnorhig Boyadjian, and Gayane Badakian to discuss how to attract more women to the Sisterhood.)

“Besides the places mentioned, women’s religious communities also existed in Astrakhan, Russia, Bursa, Turkey, and Jazlowiec, Poland. In Astrakhan, two deaconesses, sisters Hrpsime and Anna Mnatsaganyan, served the community. They each gifted a diaconal stole to the Cathedral of Etchmiadzin, with the inscriptions ‘Deaconess nun at the Cathedral of Soorp Asdvatsadzeen, Astrakhan, 1837,’ followed by their names. In the 1800’s, in Turkey’s Bursa region, Deaconess Nazeni Geoziumian ran a school for girls, along with her religious duties. In Jazlowiec (pronounced Yaswovietch), Hripsime Spendowski was ordained deaconess. She was the daughter of Stepan Spendowski, an Armenian who had immigrated to Jazlowiec in 1648. The town had a sizeable Armenian population, and the Armenian Prelacy was established there in 1250. Because of Spendowski’s heroism and distinguished military service fighting the Tatars and Turks, who had invaded the town, the King of Poland honored him with the rank of nobility, and bestowed upon him the title of ‘mayor for life’ of Jazlowiez.

“In 1984, Archbishop Vatche Hovsepian, Primate of the Western Diocese, ordained Seta Simonian Atamian acolyte at the holy altar of St. Andrew Armenian Church, in Cupertino, Calif. In 2002, Archbishop Gisak Mouradian, Primate of Argentina, ordained Maria Ozkul to the diaconate.

“Currently, there is a small number of nuns serving the Armenian Apostolic Church in Armenia. Established in the early part of the 21st century, their order is known as the Sourp Hripsimyants Order. They reside in the vanadoon (monastery) at Sourp Hripsime Church in Etchmiadzin, one of the ‘oldest historical monuments of Armenian architecture and the second church built by St. Gregory the Illuminator during the first quarter of the 4th century, and rebuilt in 618.’

I conclude my presentation with a quote by Bishop Karekin Servantzdiantz who was a student of Khrimian Hayrig, a patriot, preacher, writer, and compiler of Armenian stories—fables, anecdotes, and folk-tales:

Patriotism is a measureless and sublime virtue, and the real root of genuine goodness. It is a kind of virtue that prepares a man to become the most eager defender of the land, water, and traditions of the fatherland.

“The women deacons of the Armenian Apostolic Church, who through the centuries have reverently and humbly served our church and nation, are shining examples of the most eager defenders of the land, water, and traditions of the Fatherland.”

 

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Oghlukian, Fr. Abel. The Deaconess In The Armenian Church – A Brief Survey. New Rochelle, NY: St. Nerses Armenian Seminary, 1994.

Barnett, James Monroe. The Diaconate – A Full And Equal Order. Harrisburg, PA: Trinity Press International, 1995.

Karapetyan, Bakour. Haryour Darvah Yerkkhosootyun (A Hundred Year’s Dialogue). Yerevan, Armenia, 1990.

Lynch, H.F.B. Armenia – Travels and Studies,V 1. New York: The Armenian Prelacy, 1990.

Gulbekian, Yedvard. “Women In The Armenian Church.” Hye Sharzhoom (Fresno, CA) (April 1982).

Meneshian, Knarik O. “The Sisters At The Church of St. Hripsime.” The Armenian Weekly (July 10, 2004).

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Der-Ghazarian, Sub-Dn. Lazarus. “On The Order of Deaconesses In The Armenian and Catholic Church – A Concise Overview.” Online article, Dec. 25, 2008.

Synek, Eva M. “Christian Priesthood East and West: Towards A Convergence?” MaryMartha Journal, Vol. 4, No. 2, 1996. (Note: The report, which discusses the deaconesses of the Armenian Apostolic Church, was presented at the XII International Congress of the Society for the Law of the Eastern Churches, Brookline, Boston, MA, 1995. [Report is Online])

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21 Comments on A Nearly Forgotten History: Women Deacons in the Armenian Church

  1. avatar Joyce Yeremian // July 6, 2013 at 10:47 am // Reply

    Dear Knarik,
    Thank you for the very informative article about the Armenian deaconeses. We have often argued about this subject. I think it would be great if more women joined because we have a shortage of priests and this would help the church in keeping more young children and adults involved. As usual you have done a great job. God Bless you.
    Joyce Yeremian
    Providence

  2. avatar Dr.Hermon Mihranian // July 6, 2013 at 12:13 pm // Reply

    The best and most informative article I ever had about the Armenian
    deaconeses.

  3. As a member of Hamazkayin western region board, I would like to congratulate you knarig for a great and informative article and I would like to thank and congratulate also our Hamazkayin brothers and sisters in Chicago for organizing such an important program.
    Job well done.

  4. avatar Maureen Jamgochian // July 6, 2013 at 1:01 pm // Reply

    This was a very interesting article. I don’t know that much about the Armenian Church’s history, so this was very informative.

  5. Oh, wow. This is exactly the point at issue in the Western Churches at present. I had something to say about ordained deaconesses here: http://www.facesofarthur.org.uk/fabio/book7.5.htm . But I had no idea of the existence of consecrated deaconesses in the ancient Armenian Church.

  6. I love how you speak of the importance of knowing one’s historyband how we are forgotten and nothing without our past, yet you yourself lie a mislead people with your altered vision of what happened around 301 AD. You said “magnificant things happened” after Armenia adopted Christianity and that some churches were built over ruined pagan temples… that’s what I call a distortion of history. You mean Christianity sparked a civil war in which half our culture, people and most of our pagan temples were destroyed.

  7. Dear Knarik,

    I am so happy to see your article – live history well documented , pictures.

    And thank you Decon Greg Kandra for your article on Deacon’s bench .

  8. avatar christopher atamian // July 6, 2013 at 5:26 pm // Reply

    Thank you for a great piece!
    Armenian women have been complicit, especially iN Armenia but in diaspora as well, in their own oppression. As Jimmy carter just noted, the (Christian) church, by not letting woman be priests, contributes to their abuse and subservience.

    We Armenians like to consider ourselves a persecuted people. So let us start by showing by example: ordain women not just deacons but priests and begin to marry same-sex couples. Then you can croon about having a tolerant culture, not just being a bunch of massacred have-beens…

  9. Very interesting article. There is certainly a need for more female participation in the leadership of our church and it seems that the precedence exists! Let’s all imagine what the church might be like if all those willing to commit to serve in pastoral, ministerial, diaconate or teaching positions could do so regardless of sex.

  10. avatar christopher Atamian // July 6, 2013 at 5:37 pm // Reply

    And Bravo Sako–not only did Christianity destroy the pagan religion (which may have been necessary to distinguish themselves form the Zaroastrian Persians–but surely wholsale destruction was not the only option) but it introduced all of the sexually and socially repressive practices that belong to the so-called great Judeo-Christian tradition, which need one remind anyone, spawned the wonderfully tolerant expressions of Islam which we are now witnessing globally. Abriss Yalla’ we would be better off without a church and without (this type of) religion. Period.

    • I appreciate that Christopher’s throw off line – “we would be better off without a Church” – might be engineered to provoke, but we would not be Armenian without the Churches. We would not exist at all.

      We would have been assimilated into Islam or other forms of spiritual and physical death. This space would not be called “Highland Pagan Weekly.” It would not exist. It would not be read.

      Thanks beyond measure to God, our Saints, Catholicoi, Bishops, Priests, Badvelis, Deacons, Martyrs, and faithful for giving us our lives and nation as much as our parents and families.

  11. Sako and Christopher
    It looks like you have no clue of the importance of the church in the existence of the Armenian nation.
    Yes not everything was or is peachy but without Christianity and the church, Armenians would’ve not have an identity today, we would’ve been Muslims with no alphabet and no culture, take Turks and Persians for example, no one remembers the Seljuk Turks nor the great Persian empire.
    We should be proud of who we are we kept our identity for thousands of years , thanks to Christianity .

  12. “Deaconess Sasunian was invited to Lebanon in 1990 by His Holiness Catholicos Karekin I to found a new Sisterhood…”
    It should be His Holiness Catholicos “Karekin II” (while serving in Antelias) & not “Karekin I” (while serving in Echmiadzin).

  13. Sako and Christopher, I think you are missing the fine point. The problem may not be with the Christian faith but with its leadership. There is plenty of evidence that women once did and could once again play a larger role in the Armenian church, for the betterment of the church.

  14. Christopher, how can you suggest that any Christian, Armenian or otherwise, perform marriages for same-sex couples to be “tolerant”? They would be insane and immoral to do so. Don’t you know what the Bible says about homosexuality? Read all about it in Genesis 19 (Sodom and Gommorah). And if you can’t figure out how horrible it is to God from that account, try reading I Corinthians 6:9-20 (all about the wicked who will not inherit the kingdom and sexual immorality). Or read Romans 1:18-32, where it describes the chronology of events that leads to homosexuality. Or I Timothy 1:10. The list goes on and on. Now, if you are not a Christian, that is fine: you are not held to this understanding. But if you call yourself a Christian, then you (as well as the Armenian priest/minister) are held to the standard that God sets out in the Bible.

    • avatar christopher atamian // July 15, 2013 at 12:04 am //

      Lauren:

      Only a crazed zealot in this day and age quotes scripture from 3000 years ago. I cannot figure out if you are being serious or humorous. But everyone is allowed to their opinions, even Nazis. The bible also textually says Jews should stone other Jews who eats shrimp or pork ! Asking for tolerance and equality is to my mind, the most Christian of values.

      As for Jacque: I think you should be careful of whom you accuse of not knowing their history. I not only speak and translate from Armenian but have read Movses Khorenatsi and all the histories of Armenia worth reading that I have found. It is true that Armenians 2500years ago converted in large part to avoid assimilation into the Zoroastrian Persian Empire on the ne hand–because we were so similar to the Persians culturally and because they were being persecuted by the Byzantine Greeks on the other. That doesn’t mena they treated agans well. And anyway, that was then and this is now. People used to do all sorts of things 3,000 years ago that they don’ do now including beating their wives, marrying ten year old girls off and burning down villages that they conquered after raping anyone they could find.

      i find the lack of self-reflexive thought and the equation of nationalism and religion–which you are implicitly making to be worrisome. Today we have Catholic Armenians, Protestant and atheist Armenians, Jewish Armenians, black Armenians, openly gay Armenians. The world changes.

      As for my religious beliefs they are actually not much of your business, but if you must know I was born Catholic, a particularly intolerant and repulsive branch of the Christian Church and am not a practicing Christian, no–I am agnostic.

  15. avatar Dr Vrej Nersessian // July 16, 2013 at 9:27 am // Reply

    I have read the article on Armenian Deaconesses. I wish to make a general point in this connection.It is the privilege of every generation to forget corpotatively part of their nations history and equally it is the privilege of our generation to rediscover what has been forgotten.But for God’s sake have the humility not to present yourself as a reformer.In a recent publication by D.MacCuuloch called Silence in the ancuient Church History presents such a case.Repeadedly churches have built up their identity be forgetting thing which it was no use remembering.To begin with an example from the frontiers of western christianity it is instructive to see the gradual and purposeful forgetting of an important element in the 11th century establishment of christianity in Iceland.Three Armenian bishops active in Iceland at the time of the first Catholic bishop,Isleifr.By the time that a later chronicler was writing,arround 1200 the Armenians had become a group of anonymous foreign bishops supported by local evil men,and in a chronicle of half a century later they had simply disappeared from sight.the reason is evident: the presence of armenians in the conversion years could only have been thanks to christian contacts with the Orthodox christianiy in the East, via Kievan rus and Novogorod.by the 13th century,Icelandic Christianity had become absorbed in the eposcopal system of the western Latin church,and Catholics and Orthodox Christians increasingly hostile to each other,to the point of warfare which the Western church dressed up as crusading.for safety Catholic Iceland,the Armenians were not remembered.

  16. avatar Levon Oglukyan // July 21, 2013 at 7:30 pm // Reply

    its wery interesting i wanth too no mor abauth Abel Oghlukian

  17. avatar Donna Barsamian Sirounian // July 24, 2013 at 10:28 am // Reply

    Great article. I believe Deacon Hripsime Sasunian also visited St. Thomas Armenian Church in Tenafly, NJ, in 1986, as I served as an acolyte with her on the altar.

  18. avatar Gadarine naregatsi // November 7, 2013 at 1:02 am // Reply

    I never knew about such great support for woman to be part of church’s ministries in the Armenian communities…I always considered dedicating my life to God and this is something I will look forward to introduce this lifestyle into my prayer life,thank you for the insights very helpfull and inspiring.

  19. avatar Angela Achikgiozian // April 13, 2014 at 8:47 pm // Reply

    I believe we do not have shortage of priests, we do have shortage of quality priests, ones that connect with people. We need more of Tskhagan Qahana”, the one that is with the community, understands and addresses the needs of the people in his/her community, talks in a language that is understandable to everyone, says things that are relevant to the day, really, really, really follows what he/she pritches…if anyone got offended, it means they are not a real priest. The real ones know what I mean

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